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my little pony
09-07-2011, 04:19 AM
That is an old posing trick for when shooting photos to make your face look thinner

i think it looks like she is wishing us out into the cornfield

Iceman
09-07-2011, 01:39 PM
Um, are we sure it doesn't? :shuffle:

I don't think it counts as much as athletics, but there is a standard for how one should look while competing.


And what exactly is that standard? IMO telling a skater to change their natural hair color or change a hairstyle which is already in line with what most are wearing should not be a part of those standards. And, in fairness to the ladies, are the men being given similar advice? It is all rather arbitrary in any case. I remember a certain skater who was winning titles in the past when she was at best a "plain Jane". And now that Rachael has followed their suggestions, at least among the fans, she is subject to just as much criticism as before.
Yes, all so subjective and arbitrary.

kwanatic
09-07-2011, 01:51 PM
I don't think the judges have a right to tell her to cut her hair or change the color or whatever. Someone on her team should be in charge of maximizing her appearance on the ice. I actually think cutting her hair was a mistake. In everyday wear, it's cute on her; but on the ice she looks like she stuck her finger in an electric outlet. There's no shape or style to it when she skates...it just looks sweaty and windblown which isn't a very fashionable/pretty look. Rachael's appearance on the ice is frumpy IMO and it doesn't have to be. She would benefit from a little bit of sun, some darker hair (I think auburn would be pretty on her and bring out her eyes) and better designed, darker colored (deep purple, navy or black) dresses. But the pale as a ghost look paired with the flat colored blonde hair and bright red, yellow and blue dresses make her look very dowdy and boring.

I really wish I knew how to use Photoshop or some kind of photo software b/c I'd do a picture of revamped Rachael: new hair, new dress...I think she'd look 10x better.

olifaunt
09-07-2011, 02:11 PM
I really wish I knew how to use Photoshop or some kind of photo software b/c I'd do a picture of revamped Rachael: new hair, new dress...I think she'd look 10x better.

This costume was pretty nice on her.

http://images.lifeskate.com/Rachael-Flatt-Rockefeller/31.jpg

She had a nice dark blue one earlier in the season for her I Want to Hold Your Hand exhibition but I can't find any pictures of it.

leafygreens
09-07-2011, 02:20 PM
She would benefit from a little bit of sun, some darker hair (I think auburn would be pretty on her and bring out her eyes) and better designed, darker colored (deep purple, navy or black) dresses. But the pale as a ghost look paired with the flat colored blonde hair and bright red, yellow and blue dresses make her look very dowdy and boring.

I agree! I have always hated her primary color dresses - it's like she never ventures away from it. One time she wore a teal dress but it was awful bright. She needs to put her hair in a bun. While it is short she should at least be using clips to keep the front parts out of her face. It's a shame that these kinds of things "count" in figure skating but if some fans cringe when they see her, it's reasonable to think the judges do too. Regardless of her skating I would just like to see her wear something that looks good on her for once.

Vagabond
09-07-2011, 03:58 PM
Someone told them that every picture looks better if you keep your chin down and look up.

A judge, no doubt. :shuffle:

FigureSpins
09-07-2011, 03:59 PM
i think it looks like she is wishing us out into the cornfield
A fellow Twilight Zone fan...

Ziggy
09-07-2011, 04:33 PM
Listening to David Kirby (tech specialist) talk about footwork (in the Arena at Nationals) I realized that COP wants to see the entire body engaged - lots of bowing, gesturing, stop and starts for the skater to get high levels.

And that's great. But please do it in time to the music.

victoriaheidi
09-07-2011, 04:57 PM
I don't think the judges have a right to tell her to cut her hair or change the color or whatever. Someone on her team should be in charge of maximizing her appearance on the ice. I actually think cutting her hair was a mistake. In everyday wear, it's cute on her; but on the ice she looks like she stuck her finger in an electric outlet. There's no shape or style to it when she skates...it just looks sweaty and windblown which isn't a very fashionable/pretty look. Rachael's appearance on the ice is frumpy IMO and it doesn't have to be. She would benefit from a little bit of sun, some darker hair (I think auburn would be pretty on her and bring out her eyes) and better designed, darker colored (deep purple, navy or black) dresses. But the pale as a ghost look paired with the flat colored blonde hair and bright red, yellow and blue dresses make her look very dowdy and boring.

I really wish I knew how to use Photoshop or some kind of photo software b/c I'd do a picture of revamped Rachael: new hair, new dress...I think she'd look 10x better.

My complaint is that she had nice hair. The bump-it pony wasn't actually so bad. I liked it better. And the color was fine-I really didn't see an issue with her look in the Olympic season or the season before...(even her costumes looked pretty good!)

FigureSpins
09-07-2011, 06:08 PM
Many people had a problem with Evan Lysacek's footwork because of all the flailing, but that is also what COP wants. Listening to David Kirby (tech specialist) talk about footwork (in the Arena at Nationals) I realized that COP wants to see the entire body engaged - lots of bowing, gesturing, stop and starts for the skater to get high levels.

It's absolutely part of IJS and was emphasized at this year's PSA Conference. They talked about above, at and below, skating hip movements being so important to the scoring.

I agree that it isn't enough to just bend, stretch and scrape. If it was, everyone would skate to "YMCA." The movements should be artistically pleasing to the eye, but balanced against skaters won't be staying upright with pretty gestures in time to the music. There have to be changes in the height and positions of the body throughout the footwork sequences in order to get the higher levels and points.

RD
09-07-2011, 06:12 PM
Might regret writing this post later, but-

Maybe I'm just "new school" or whatever, but I really care very little (or not at all) about a skater's haircut or costume or other non-sport elements. I see athletic ability and interpretation in a skater and that's what I note when I watch. Costume, hair, make-up, etc was always trivial stuff TO ME PERSONALLY.

Obviously, as I found out, that does not seem to be the case with most fans, and apparently judges too. That's where the "pageant" accusation comes from- the "pretty princesses in pretty dresses" rep comes from. Some skating fans seem to want it both ways- they want skating respected as a real sport, yet they bicker about things like what hairstyle is best or how many beads should be on the costume- stuff that just isn't a factor as far as sports go. Unless the costume is totally OUT THERE (but IMO that's rare)

Oh well. Kinda just how I feel at this point-:slinkaway

RD
09-07-2011, 06:19 PM
delete- nevermind

Triple Butz
09-07-2011, 08:02 PM
Might regret writing this post later, but-

Maybe I'm just "new school" or whatever, but I really care very little (or not at all) about a skater's haircut or costume or other non-sport elements. I see athletic ability and interpretation in a skater and that's what I note when I watch. Costume, hair, make-up, etc was always trivial stuff TO ME PERSONALLY.

Obviously, as I found out, that does not seem to be the case with most fans, and apparently judges too. That's where the "pageant" accusation comes from- the "pretty princesses in pretty dresses" rep comes from. Some skating fans seem to want it both ways- they want skating respected as a real sport, yet they bicker about things like what hairstyle is best or how many beads should be on the costume- stuff that just isn't a factor as far as sports go. Unless the costume is totally OUT THERE (but IMO that's rare)

Oh well. Kinda just how I feel at this point-:slinkaway

I don't think paying attention to appearance trivializes the sport. I think of it in two ways. First, looking your best is part of being a professional. You would never show up to a job interview or important meeting looking like a wreck. Figure skating is also about positions, and it's important that skaters have the appropriate gear to show off the shapes they create on the ice. Secondly, there is a "presentation" aspect to figure skating that makes it distinct among other sports, and I think that is something to be celebrated, not condemned. Hair/makeup/costumes all play a role in making a program come to life. Sometimes that role is exaggerated, but it should be there, nonetheless.

ETA: Here's an example of a skater who, IMO, underwent a style transformation that allowed her presentation to soar to new heights.

Here's Jenny Kirk in 2002 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yzje6hYp-k

Shortly after leaving the Scotvolds, Jenny joined Richard Callaghan's team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_NJ-R_OJik&feature=related

In her 2010 blog, Jenny stressed just how important it was to RC that she get her hair and makeup done before competition at a professional salon, even if she was competing in a foreign country and didn't speak the language. IMO, that was the first time she looked and skated like a senior lady, and not a junior lady.

IceJunkie
09-07-2011, 09:14 PM
Let's face it: this is an aesthetic sport. Figure skating is a descendent of ballet, which is about art and beauty and performance. If you're trying to convey a message or a story, you want it to appear genuine and authentic.

The only thing I think could factor in marks would be in the "Interp" value, and even that is shady. Nothing else. Costuming has nothing to do with choreography, skating skills or anything else in the PCS. Still, I could see how a makeover could make a skater feel more empowered and confident.

leafygreens
09-07-2011, 10:35 PM
I think the comments are in two factions. The ones about appearance are from us just as fans, just as we would comment on our favorite actor's hair or outfit. It has nothing to do with an actor's ability, it's just entertainment. Then there are comments about her skating, which are separate. Her hair doesn't have anything to do with how she skates. But her skating has been criticized as slouchy, rightfully so IMO. It just so happens that her appearance is also sometimes slouchy, so it appears that comments on her looks and skating are the same when they are not.