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RumbleFish
08-18-2011, 03:33 AM
Please spare us from that. She's too special a talent to end her career with shitty uninspired performances.

At this rate, it's likely that you will see plenty more mediocre performances even after she retires through her show skating.:yikes:

krenseby
08-18-2011, 03:40 AM
Robin Wagner mentioned this in an interview prior to worlds, but she was right - an athlete needs to have live competitive experience prior to going to a big competition like worlds and not just show up cold with no competitive experience for one year.

When Kwan skipped the Grand Prix events, did she do pro-am competitions to get her share of competitive experience before going to Worlds? I didn't watch pro-ams in that time period, so no idea. I am curious in general to what extent Kwan did or did not compete in those years when she skipped the GPs.

Marco
08-18-2011, 04:04 AM
Mediocre as her 2011 Worlds performances were, to lose to Ando who skated the way she did was majorly insulting. Even if she didn't care for the fact that she had won everything there was to win, the rules being against her now (no 3rd 2axel), and the Russian and Japanese politiking back in full force, she should care about that ugly, unfortunate 2011 Worlds loss.

(but I agree with whoever that said that if she wanted to skip GPs from now on, she should at least do 4CCs on top of Worlds.)

kittyjake5
08-18-2011, 04:41 AM
When Kwan skipped the Grand Prix events, did she do pro-am competitions to get her share of competitive experience before going to Worlds? I didn't watch pro-ams in that time period, so no idea. I am curious in general to what extent Kwan did or did not compete in those years when she skipped the GPs.


Here is a list of Michelle's events 1997-2009 from Heathers site.


http://heatherw.com/mk/past/compsch_past.htm

Vash01
08-18-2011, 04:46 AM
Mediocre as her 2011 Worlds performances were, to lose to Ando who skated the way she did was majorly insulting. Even if she didn't care for the fact that she had won everything there was to win, the rules being against her now (no 3rd 2axel), and the Russian and Japanese politiking back in full force, she should care about that ugly, unfortunate 2011 Worlds loss.

(but I agree with whoever that said that if she wanted to skip GPs from now on, she should at least do 4CCs on top of Worlds.)

I disagree. Ando did her job; Kim did not, and she deserved to lose. It was more Ando's triumph than Kim's misfortune. It's very narrow minded to say it was politics, or the rules were against her just because there cannot be a 3rd double axel. Every skater is impacted by rule changes one way or another during his/her career. Those who have the motivation rise above it. I will perfectly understand if Yu na did not feel particularly motivated to win after winning the OGM with a great performance. Perhaps she needs to take a break and come back when she feels more 'hungry'.

Marco
08-18-2011, 05:06 AM
I disagree. Ando did her job; Kim did not, and she deserved to lose.

Technically, both did 5 triples and 2 2axels (and Kim did a 3/3) and got called level 4 spins and level 3 steps.

As far as PCS goes, well, if you think Ando did her job, or deserved those component scores compared to Kim, then we need to just agree to disagree.

And to compare them like they are equal skaters to begin with is already ridiculous.


It's very narrow minded to say it was politics

You seem to believe the remarkable jump in Ando's PCS from 6.85 to 7.6 at 2010 Worlds to 7.79 to 8.14 at 2011 is merely due to merit. Again, we will just have to agree to disagree.

Lookingood
08-18-2011, 05:10 AM
Poor Yuna its all about Winning Gold medals for her. even silver medals in last two world championship count nothing to some, 5 triples 3L-3T LP sooo medicre performance just missed 2t and 3f was such huge deal like she popped all her jumps.
My only wish if she want to compete i want to see her at gps +full seasons.

bek
08-18-2011, 05:24 AM
Mediocre as her 2011 Worlds performances were, to lose to Ando who skated the way she did was majorly insulting. Even if she didn't care for the fact that she had won everything there was to win, the rules being against her now (no 3rd 2axel), and the Russian and Japanese politiking back in full force, she should care about that ugly, unfortunate 2011 Worlds loss.

(but I agree with whoever that said that if she wanted to skip GPs from now on, she should at least do 4CCs on top of Worlds.)

I'm sorry but its not like said rule couldn't hurt Ando. Who clearly hates to do triple flips and could easily do a could of double axel sequences to get in three double axels. I adore Yu-na but there has to be some reward for having all the triples. IMO.




You seem to believe the remarkable jump in Ando's PCS from 6.85 to 7.6 at 2010 Worlds to 7.79 to 8.14 at 2011 is merely due to merit. Again, we will just have to agree to disagree.


Well there was feelings by some that Ando was underscored at 2010 worlds and should have had bronze. Wasn't she in penultimate group too. Given Ando has won everything but the Grand Prix Finals this year and has certainly beaten everyone. Its no surprise Miki's PCS went up.

Second one could point out that this wasn't the same Yu-na either. Kim was reportedly much slower, messy and her program was hardly an artistic masterpiece either. Yu-na shouldn't be a No Show the entire season and then expect the judges to give her the benefit of the doubt when she skates shaky. I'm not saying Kim definetly deserved second, but Yu-na in many ways made her own bed.

Vash01
08-18-2011, 05:33 AM
Technically, both did 5 triples and 2 2axels (and Kim did a 3/3) and got called level 4 spins and level 3 steps.

As far as PCS goes, well, if you think Ando did her job, or deserved those component scores compared to Kim, then we need to just agree to disagree.

And to compare them like they are equal skaters to begin with is already ridiculous.



You seem to believe the remarkable jump in Ando's PCS from 6.85 to 7.6 at 2010 Worlds to 7.79 to 8.14 at 2011 is merely due to merit. Again, we will just have to agree to disagree.

Yu na's execution was poor. Ando's execution of the program was good. In general, Yu na is a better skater than Ando, but in this competition Ando was better. Where did I say they are equal skaters? We are talking about one particular competition- worlds 2011. If you want to worship Yu na and just award her gold medals regardless of how she skates, I am glad you are not a FS judge.

judgejudy27
08-18-2011, 05:43 AM
Mediocre as her 2011 Worlds performances were, to lose to Ando who skated the way she did was majorly insulting. Even if she didn't care for the fact that she had won everything there was to win, the rules being against her now (no 3rd 2axel), and the Russian and Japanese politiking back in full force, she should care about that ugly, unfortunate 2011 Worlds loss.

(but I agree with whoever that said that if she wanted to skip GPs from now on, she should at least do 4CCs on top of Worlds.)

I agree. 45% Kim is better than 85% Ando everyday. As embarassing as it would be for Kim to win so far below her usual self, it is even more embarassing for the sport to now have Ando as a 2 time World Champion, especialy winning the second not even skating her best which a skater of her caliber should always have to in order to win. The one saving grace is if even Ando can be a 2 time World Champion, skaters like Trixi Schuba and Annett Poetzsch dont look so bad anymore. At this rate it will be convenient the ladies event is last as everybody will flee town once the other 3 events are over, especialy if a mediocre aging skater who isnt even in her prime like Ando is ever close to another major title through more Japanese politiking and the generally abysmal field now.

Japanfan
08-18-2011, 08:30 AM
now with the olympics in pyeongchang she can easily miss one world championships, because she has to stay around until 2018 to win the one and only gold at home. i bet, there´s a lot of pressure, she stays competitve til then or for a comeback for the great stroke.


You're joking, right? The 1818 Olympics are 6 and 1/2 years away and there is another Olympics before that.

I hope there is some movement and new bright stars in the ladies' field between them and now. Kim is already moving away from competition. To suggest she is a favourite for 1818 is completely preposterous.

Japanfan
08-18-2011, 08:32 AM
I agree. 45% Kim is better than 85% Ando everyday. As embarassing as it would be for Kim to win so far below her usual self, it is even more embarassing for the sport to now have Ando as a 2 time World Champion, especialy winning the second not even skating her best which a skater of her caliber should always have to in order to win.


But Kim skated far below her usual self and not as well as Miki. If she is such a better skater then it is she, not Ando, who should be embarrassed.

The final flight of ladies at Worlds was sub-par. Miki won it fair and square and has nothing to be ashamed of.

judgejudy27
08-18-2011, 08:43 AM
It is a matter of opinion that she didnt skate as well as Miki. If Miki had got the mostly 0s (with occasional 1s) in GOES for her spins and spirals and the much lower PCS she deserved she would have lost even to a subpar Kim. Miki didnt skate her best either at Worlds, and is so far inferior to Kim as a skater that if both are off of course Kim is better. In fact if I recall correctly both landed 5 triples in the long, a 5 triple Miki should be crushed by a 5 triple Kim, not come from behind to win.

I didnt say Miki should feel embarassed. Of course she should be happy. Womens skating should be embarassed such an ordinary skater being crowned as a 2 time World Champion though with an 80s caliber winning performance though. Atleast in 2007 her win made sense as she skated the 2 performances of her life with triple lutz-triple loop combinations in both programs, excelling in the only area she is truly good at (jumping) which she didnt even do this year, and won by virtue of two much better skaters making big mistakes she didnt, not much better skaters making similar mistakes to hers.

RumbleFish
08-18-2011, 09:38 AM
When was the last time a Kim thread got hijacked by Ando? :scream: This is really sad.
It is a blessing that Kim can now retire in piece since $peedy doesn't hold PC bid as a hostage anymore.

Domshabfan
08-18-2011, 10:35 AM
You're joking, right? The 1818 Olympics are 6 and 1/2 years away and there is another Olympics before that.

I hope there is some movement and new bright stars in the ladies' field between them and now. Kim is already moving away from competition. To suggest she is a favourite for 1818 is completely preposterous.

i like my period dramas, but to assume you are living in that era is bit too much. ;)

Apart from 1818 bit, i agree with everything else you say in the post.