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Vash01
08-14-2011, 10:01 PM
I honestly don't believe Plushenko will be a factor in Sochi- age and injuries being the main reasons. I am afraid that will make a lot of fsuers happy. I would love to see him in competitive form, but his body has taken too much beating already. I think Russia's mens field is the weakest among the 4 disciplines. About the ladies, I am optimistic and hopeful, but all these ladies are very young and untested. Hopefully they will grow up to be special. Russia's chances for a gold are the best in pairs. I don't see them winning ice dance if the current top 2 pairs are still around.

Macassar88
08-14-2011, 11:15 PM
I think that Liza does have a shot at winning at Sochi, but she would need multiple triple axels and a triple triple in both the SP and the FS.

judgejudy27
08-15-2011, 01:04 AM
Who do you expect to win gold in Nagano if not Kwan?

After the 97 Worlds I fully expected Lipinski to win the 98 Olympics. After Nationals I slightly favored Kwan, but I still wasnt at all surprised when Tara won.

judgejudy27
08-15-2011, 01:25 AM
If Plushenko is skating in 2014 and he skates like he did in Vancouver, yes, I do believe he has a shot at the gold.

This comment is stupid beyond belief, and most amusing is you actually seem to be serious. You are always good for a hundred laughs per post. :lol:

MikiAndoFan#1
08-15-2011, 01:30 AM
You are always good for a hundred laughs per post. :lol:

So are you.

Jenna
08-15-2011, 01:53 AM
This comment is stupid beyond belief, and most amusing is you actually seem to be serious. You are always good for a hundred laughs per post. :lol:

You should be more original in your pointless, and, frankly, stupid attacks.

You've already said that, Tonya.

Instead of berating me for my "stupid" comments, why don't you refute them with a solid opinion backed by facts, rather the hide behind sarcasm and causticity?

FarFarAway
08-15-2011, 08:21 AM
Oh, I agree with you. I dislike Plushenko's skating. But nobody can deny his jumping abilities. I think Chan is the favorite right now, too. But a lot can happen in 2.5 years...injury, decline, etc. So I think it's too early to be too sure about anyone.

Well, I guess it's my time to agree with you now :)
I think there are only two ways for him to get gold in Sochi:
injuries and declines, as you mentioned;
or a change of Plushenko's skating;

If it turns out so that Plushenko will change totally the skating technique and combines it together with his jumps - then I would eat something uneatable here, I promise :)



I think Russia has a great chance of taking Gold in each of the 4 events with just under 3 years still to go. Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva both have an excellent chance in the ladies. In the mens, Gachinski had a superb debut season finishing 3rd at the 2011 Worlds. He only turned 18 yesterday (belated happy birthday wishes!!) and he will improve a lot over the next 3 years. Plushenko may also come back. In the pairs, Volosozhar and Trankov had a fantastic debut season as a pairing winning Silver at the 2011 Worlds - just 6.12 behind S & S. They will improve a lot. In Ice Dance (probably Russia's weakest event at present), I think Ilinykh and Katsalapov will also improve a lot on their debut season in seniors, especially now that they are being coached by Nikolai Morozov. The juries still out on whether they will improve sufficiently to take Gold, but I think they certainly have a chance of making the podium at the very least.

That is what I call optimism, actually :)
Personally, I can talk about gold with more or less certainty only for the pairs.
Men - well, Gachinsky was the third at the Worlds 2011, yes. But let's just see and compare the results with Worlds 2012, okay?
My doubts about Plushenko I expressed above...
Who's left? Menshov probably, but I am afraid he is rather old at the moment and will be older by 2014.

Women - I'd rather see the Worlds 2013 before I can make any predictions. This is where it will be more clear who's the best - Liza, Adelina, Ksenia or Alyona, though a maximum of three women are admitted :P

Ice Dance - I used to love I/K and used to be beaten for that:P Now I just like them, but everything may change. I am just not sure in Morozov, but from what I have heard from the test skates, their skating looks wonderful.
However, the competition with D/W and V/M will be very tough. And I also hope B/S will be able to show their best. But, I don't believe in gold for Russia here. Rather bronze, but that may be easily claimed by P/B.

VIETgrlTerifa
08-15-2011, 08:30 AM
After the 97 Worlds I fully expected Lipinski to win the 98 Olympics. After Nationals I slightly favored Kwan, but I still wasnt at all surprised when Tara won.

But would you have thought of Lipinski after 1995 Worlds? I mean 2011 Worlds just happened and it will be another three years before the 2014 Olympics.

IceIceBaby
08-15-2011, 05:38 PM
As I cannot stand the fact that Artur Gachinski might get on podium just because he land all jumps regardless of how his program will be.

I agree with you. Gachinski's bronze medal was a total gift from the judges because the competition was in Russia, imo. That is one of the reasons why I believe that the Russians will get at least a couple of medals in Sochi, no matter how they skated. :slinkaway

Vagabond
08-15-2011, 07:15 PM
Gachinski's bronze medal was a total gift from the judges because the competition was in Russia, imo.

The gift was from Nobunari Oda, who gave up about 12 points by doing a 3A+3T combination (instead of a 3A+2T) after turning his planned opening 4T+3T into a 3T+3T. :wall:

As for Gachinski, he simply rose to the occasion in his home country. Some skaters do, others don't.

The other top men who finished behind him -- Březina, Takahashi, Amodio, and Joubert -- didn't deliver the goods.

Vash01
08-15-2011, 07:43 PM
The gift was from Nobunari Oda, who gave up about 12 points by doing a 3A+3T combination (instead of a 3A+2T) after turning his planned opening 4T+3T into a 3T+3T. :wall:

As for Gachinski, he simply rose to the occasion in his home country. Some skaters do, others don't.

The other top men who finished behind him -- Březina, Takahashi, Amodio, and Joubert -- didn't deliver the goods.

Excellent points.

FarFarAway
08-15-2011, 07:47 PM
Gachinski's bronze medal was a total gift from the judges because the competition was in Russia, imo.

I can't call myself Mishin's group fan at all, but, no, Artur's bronze medal was not completely the total gift. He skated at the Worlds much better than at Euros first of all, and although yes, in some things the Home Champs influenced the results, the second half was definitely his good work.



That is one of the reasons why I believe that the Russians will get at least a couple of medals in Sochi, no matter how they skated. :slinkaway

Yeah. All that is left to say is that we will have all the medal sets in figure skating :D Time to close the thread as all the predictions are obvious.:D Just kidding :)

Those couple of medals will be deserved, I think, if we talk about V/T and ladies/ice dance. All the other possible medals will be up to skaters I guess. Medal scandals are not the things authorities would like to get at the so much awaited Winter Games.

judgejudy27
08-15-2011, 08:01 PM
But would you have thought of Lipinski after 1995 Worlds? I mean 2011 Worlds just happened and it will be another three years before the 2014 Olympics.

After 95 Worlds? I wouldnt have known what to predict but I would have predicted an American winning the 98 Gold. I knew Bonaly would never hold on for 98 (I mean as a real contender, not just maybe being there). Chen I had my doubts about as well as she had been on the scene awhile already. I did not expect a Russian or German women to win Gold in Nagano, even though Slutskaya was a hot prospect at the time. It was already confirmed soon after Worlds that Baiul, Sato, and Kerrigan were not returning. So I would have said some American- Kwan, Bobek, or one of the top juniors at the time like Vogel or Lipinski. If someone looked into the crystal ball and said Lipinski it wouldnt have shocked me even after the 95 Worlds. I had no idea who would be the lead American by 98, but I felt pretty sure one of them would win it. As it turns out the Americans were completely dominant by 98.

judgejudy27
08-15-2011, 08:05 PM
You should be more original in your pointless, and, frankly, stupid attacks.

You've already said that, Tonya.

Instead of berating me for my "stupid" comments, why don't you refute them with a solid opinion backed by facts, rather the hide behind sarcasm and causticity?

Plushenko in 2010 did not even beat Lysacek (I thought maybe he should have but that is another story). Chan does everything better than Lysacek and has quads as well. Plushenko skating as he did in Vancouver would be looking up to a semi clean Chan by atleast 30 points. Kozuka's LP from the 2011 Worlds would have even crushed Plushenko and Lysacek from Vancouver.

Your comments are rich too when the best you can do is to keep calling me Tonya in each thread. I guess you admire women of your own IQ however. :lol:

Jenna
08-15-2011, 08:07 PM
The gift was from Nobunari Oda, who gave up about 12 points by doing a 3A+3T combination (instead of a 3A+2T) after turning his planned opening 4T+3T into a 3T+3T. :wall:

As for Gachinski, he simply rose to the occasion in his home country. Some skaters do, others don't.

The other top men who finished behind him -- Březina, Takahashi, Amodio, and Joubert -- didn't deliver the goods.

I agree he rose to the occasion. He went out there and completed all the jumps and spins. But he was surely assisted by the judges. Those PCS were out of control. 8+ for interpretation, while someone like Dornbush is only mid 7s? One judge even gave him 8.75 for IN, but Kozuka only 8.25. Please.