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Vash01
08-14-2011, 03:32 AM
If anything, V/T will grab gold in pairs.

I'm a little perplexed by Sotnikova being anointed a gold medal contender. She's not THAT dominating. Her score at Jr. Worlds was only 13 pts. or so higher than an imperfect Zawadzki

IMO it's too early to crown V&T with an Olympic gold. They did well at this year's worlds and logic says they will get better. However, even one injury could slow down their progress. We don't know yet if they can handle the pressure of being the favorites (in case they reach that status/level). S&S are dominating pairs right now and barring injury they are likely to stay at that level or get even better. I would love to see a Russian pair win the gold in Sochi, because I have been a big fan of Russian pairs for years. However, I am only cautiously optimistic at this point.

Proustable
08-14-2011, 03:38 AM
Why do you think S/S will get better?

I certainly don't see any team beside V/T or S/S winning in Sochi, though.

Autumn_girl
08-14-2011, 03:45 AM
I'm a little perplexed by Sotnikova being anointed a gold medal contender. She's not THAT dominating. Her score at Jr. Worlds was only 13 pts. or so higher than an imperfect Zawadzki

Sotnikova wasn't perfect either, and it was Zawadzki's best competition in the whole season actually... To see how dominating Adelina is we should wait at least for Grand Prix and see her scores as a senior competing with seniors. Right now I would say the judges really like what they see.


Who do you expect to win gold in Sochi if not Sotnikova. Kim seems bored and not even wanting to compete anymore. Mao is a big question mark at this point. The Americans arent likely to produce the gold medalist.

There are still Liza, you know. She has the cleanest jump technique in the World right now and is going to do 3A. I expect (and hope) a good rivalry between her and Adelina

Vash01
08-14-2011, 03:52 AM
Why do you think S/S will get better?

I certainly don't see any team beside V/T or S/S winning in Sochi, though.

Because you cannot predict whether a skater/pair will stop growing or not. I am not even a S&S fan, but I am not going to say they will not get better. Anyone that continues to skate has a chance to.

I would not crown either of these two pairs yet as Olympic champs because Sochi is more than 2 years away. Other pairs have the time to develop and challenge them.

Vash01
08-14-2011, 04:22 AM
She is 15 years now - born one (1!) day too late to compete at this seasons Europeans and Worlds.

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Tough luck! Anyway, this may give her a chance to polish her presentation and challenge for a podium spot in 2013. That should place her in a good position for the 2014 Olys.

RumbleFish
08-14-2011, 04:25 AM
There are still Liza, you know. She has the cleanest jump technique in the World right now and is going to do 3A. I expect (and hope) a good rivalry between her and Adelina

I like Tuk a lot, but this statement just isn't true. She doesn't have THE cleanest jump technique in the world. I also doubt that she will ever have a consistent 3A.

Jenna
08-14-2011, 04:33 AM
Yup. Sotnikova/Tuktamisheva, Plushenko, or V/T. Possibly I/K but, they'll have a better chance in 2018.

olympic
08-14-2011, 04:34 AM
Who do you expect to win gold in Sochi if not Sotnikova. Kim seems bored and not even wanting to compete anymore. Mao is a big question mark at this point. The Americans arent likely to produce the gold medalist.

I will say that the US dry spell has been going on for quite some time and can't last forever considering the deep talent here, both Jr. and Sr. I just have a hunch that at least one of them will be a gold medal challenger in a couple of years

pinky166
08-14-2011, 04:44 AM
Sotnikova wasn't perfect either, and it was Zawadzki's best competition in the whole season actually... To see how dominating Adelina is we should wait at least for Grand Prix and see her scores as a senior competing with seniors. Right now I would say the judges really like what they see.



There are still Liza, you know. She has the cleanest jump technique in the World right now and is going to do 3A. I expect (and hope) a good rivalry between her and Adelina


13 points is a large margin of victory IMO, and Adelina had a mistake in both of her programs at Junior Worlds, which wasn't her best competition of the season, unlike Agnes who made more mistakes at all her other events. Adelina won every competition she entered last season and only fell once! And this was as a 14 year old in the midst of puberty - she grew 5 centimeters over the course of the season and was still reeling off the money combos like they were doubles! If that's not impressive, I don't know what is.

As for Liza, I don't think she will surpass Adelina, at least not any time soon. She has good technique, but her jumps are not very big even now and she does not look anywhere close to full grown. Also, she is not as consistent as Adelina, her 3-3 is often MIA and a lot of her good results last season were due to PCS she was lucky enough to receive for error ridden performances. If she is having such issues now, I fear for what happens when she finishes puberty. Yes, she has 3a, but she hasn't even done it in competition and when you are competing against someone who has no 3a but everything else, it won't make a difference - at least it didn't for Mao. Adelina is comparable to Yuna (jumps are as big if not bigger) but has potential to be even better because she points her toes and has a more balletic presence on the ice, something Yuna never had. Liza I think will fare more like Mao if she continues to be inconsistent and does not get her 3-3 down solid.

I think Adelina will most likely win in Sochi barring injury or a severe growthspurt/body change, but where she grew 5 cm last season I tend to think that won't happen. Also, there are so many talented pairs in Russia that I could definitely see them winning that discipline too. And who knows, maybe I&K will finally skate up to their potential, if they do they could spoil for gold. In any event, I expect Russia to be a major factor at the 2014 games, regardless of if they end up winning any gold medals or not.

Vash01
08-14-2011, 05:17 AM
Pressure is a big factor in big competitions and particularly in the Olympics. We don't know yet if any of these young skaters has the ability to handle pressure. Yu na clearly has it, but she may not even be competing by then. It will be interesting to see if we see (once again, like in 2002) a lady with the least amount of pressure win the gold, or if we will see a tough as nails (like Yu na) lady win. She could be from any country.

julieann
08-14-2011, 05:37 AM
Who do you expect to win gold in Sochi if not Sotnikova.

Who do you expect to win gold in Nagano if not Kwan? Because it's too early to make predictions...that's why.

At the end of the 08-09 season S/S were gold medal favorites and ended up winning the bronze and it had nothing to do with S/Z coming back, they just had a bad season. So you just never know what can happen.

Autumn_girl
08-14-2011, 05:46 AM
I like Tuk a lot, but this statement just isn't true. She doesn't have THE cleanest jump technique in the world. I also doubt that she will ever have a consistent 3A.

Then which lady skater has the cleanest technique in the World right now if not Liza?


Who do you expect to win gold in Nagano if not Kwan? Because it's too early to make predictions...that's why.


True. And after Mao's win at GPF 2005 I think pretty much everyone were sure they saw an Olympic champion 2010, but we all know what happened. The rivalry between Liza and Adelina reminds me a lot of Mao and Yuna. Right now Adelina is a clear winner, but it still can change

Vash01
08-14-2011, 05:48 AM
It's nice to have that kind of rivalry in your own country. It makes both skaters stronger. Classic example: Yagudin and Plushenko.

FarFarAway
08-14-2011, 06:44 AM
What an interesting discussion, but somewhat rather suprising, actually.:rolleyes:


I voted yes, it looks like at least V/T and Sotnikova will be contenders for gold.

What I really cannot still understand is why people think that Liza and Adelina will surely have a claim for gold by 2014. If someone explains me this idea, I will be just very much obliged. They are both very young, they will start on Euros and Worlds only the NEXT season due to age reasons and in this season they are able to participate only at the GP cups. So no one actually have seen them performing at the serious senior competitions so far, but everyone is sure the gold in Sochi is almost theirs. But they will be right in the middle of the growing up process by that time:rolleyes:No one knows yet how it will influence the jumps and all the other things in their skating.

As for me, I believe we need to first see them at Euros and (hopefully) Worlds, but this will happen only in 2012-2013 season.


I think it's too early to predict anything now. I just hope Russia learns that they need to train all the athletes in case something happens to their "stars" that they didn't anticipate.

I guess all the athletes are trained. What we really need is to crash that veni-vidi-vici stereotype.


Yup. Sotnikova/Tuktamisheva, Plushenko, or V/T. Possibly I/K but, they'll have a better chance in 2018.

Plushenko again:rolleyes:
We actually still don't know if he is going to have any starts this season and you still firmly believe he is one of the candidates for gold?

For winning gold in Sochi he will need to have a lot of work to be done. The skating changed and changed greatly since he last skated. If he returns with the programs of the same type, he will surely secure himself a place in the top 15, but definitely not in the top 3.

julieann
08-14-2011, 07:09 AM
I guess all the athletes are trained.

I guess I should have said trained 'equally'

I'm hoping Stolbova/Klimov and Iliushechkina/Maisuradze are going getting the same attention as Volosozhar/Trankov and Kavaguti and Smirnov. So no matter who gets sent they are top form.