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Maofan7
08-13-2011, 03:26 AM
Interesting article from Alexa Ainsworth in Universal Sports:-

http://www.universalsports.com/news-blogs/blogs/blog=gofigure/postid=548283.html

According to Ainsworth, the problem with the forthcoming season in the ladies is that "the newbies with the triple-triple combinations lack the maturity of the veterans - who lack the triple-triple. We are having a difficult time thinking of a skater who has the poise and presence of a senior lady and can throw down an effortless triple Lutz-triple toe." However, I don't think that this is necessarily the case. This view is based on last year's junior performances and Sotnikova's and Tuktamysheva's performances certainly did not lack 'poise'. Moreover, both Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva will be a year older and that extra year will bring additional poise and maturity to their skating. I think therefore that the suggestion that there programs during the coming season will lack poise and maturity is a bit premature.

gingercat
08-13-2011, 03:31 AM
The Russian (girls) Ladies have it all - It will be a fun season to watch!

RumbleFish
08-13-2011, 04:12 AM
I expect Tuk and Sot to be inconsistent during the GPs, meaning that they will be excellent in some performances, and disappointing in others. However, I expect both of them to make the finals and at least one of them to pull it together to win the gold.

judgejudy27
08-13-2011, 05:50 AM
The womens field is terrible now. The World title was won by an early 80s caliber gold medal performance, the Olympic Champion skated at 45% of her Olympic and previous years caliber and still very nearly won the World title, and skaters were fighting for the bronze with performances that would barely have them fighting for top 10 most years. Of course the new ones will do very well against this sad crop, especialy with Kim and Ando not even doing the Grand Prix (and who knows when if ever returning), whether they are kitchen soup or not.

bartek
08-13-2011, 02:11 PM
The womens field is terrible now. The World title was won by an early 80s caliber gold medal performance, the Olympic Champion skated at 45% of her Olympic and previous years caliber and still very nearly won the World title, and skaters were fighting for the bronze with performances that would barely have them fighting for top 10 most years. Of course the new ones will do very well against this sad crop, especialy with Kim and Ando not even doing the Grand Prix (and who knows when if ever returning), whether they are kitchen soup or not.

I think you're exaggerating. Ando's performance was far from "early 80's caliber". Those spins, two triple lutzes etc. And performances of skaters' who were fighting for the bronze certainly wouldn't "barely" have them fighting for top 10 most years. Kostner's and Czisny's skates would make top 10 in most Worlds in history.

Jenna
08-13-2011, 02:14 PM
The womens field is terrible now. The World title was won by an early 80s caliber gold medal performance, the Olympic Champion skated at 45% of her Olympic and previous years caliber and still very nearly won the World title, and skaters were fighting for the bronze with performances that would barely have them fighting for top 10 most years. Of course the new ones will do very well against this sad crop, especialy with Kim and Ando not even doing the Grand Prix (and who knows when if ever returning), whether they are kitchen soup or not.

You're insane. Leonova's performanes would have had her in the top 5 every year I can think of. She would have won in '06. Alissa would have also been comfortably in the Top 10 in previous years, and Murakami.

gingercat
08-13-2011, 04:29 PM
I remember Sot at Sheffield JGP, I have not seen skating like that in YEARS!!! Don't count the 2 young ones out at all. It will be a pleaseure to watch them.

Amy03
08-13-2011, 10:09 PM
mao's performance was also very good despite her mistakes i found her programs at worlds to be one off the most enjoyable,and if she shows up in good condition soon, which i assume she will, i don't see anything or anyone stopping her from winning. since the only thing that has held Mao back the previous season is all the challenges she had taken at the same time..

judgejudy27
08-13-2011, 10:16 PM
You're insane. Leonova's performanes would have had her in the top 5 every year I can think of. She would have won in '06. Alissa would have also been comfortably in the Top 10 in previous years, and Murakami.

Leonova from Worlds would have beaten Meissner with a flawless skate with 2 triple-triples, 7 triples, and high PCS at the 2006 Worlds. Thanks for the laughs on that one. :lol:

judgejudy27
08-13-2011, 10:18 PM
I think you're exaggerating. Ando's performance was far from "early 80's caliber". Those spins, two triple lutzes etc.

Those spins you say. :rofl: You are right, it is disrespectful to the early 80s ladies and Ando in the same sentence if we are talking about spins. Imagine comparing Ando and her slow croakey spins and novice layback to the spins of Biellmann, Zayak, and Kay Thomson. :scream:

Vash01
08-13-2011, 10:20 PM
JudgeJudy, Mao is far from finished. One bad season does not 'finish' a skater. Many successful skaters have had a bad season that they bounced back from. Irina Slutskaya bounced back twice. Michelle bounced back from a poor (by her standards) 1997 season. There are other examples.

falling_dance
08-14-2011, 03:39 AM
Leonova from Worlds would have beaten Meissner with a flawless skate with 2 triple-triples, 7 triples, and high PCS at the 2006 Worlds. Thanks for the laughs on that one. :lol:

I can't see Leonova beating Meissner either, though it's worth noting that Leonova's SP + a passable spiral sequence would've been the only clean short with three triples in the competition (3T3T and 3Z; the easiest 3-3, but still something). Gedevanishvili and Korpi were the others to go for three triples in the short, neither cleanly (and the latter fell). Assuming a near tie in qualifiying, good momentum from the short, and the same FS with ca. 2006 COP scoring and one more spin, it might've been close between Meissner and Leonova. Finally, Meissner might have scored a point or two less than that which she gained by giving the only "champion's performance" of the night. She went from having no PCS averages in the mid-sevens in the SP to having all but one of them at that level in the FS.

Well, that was "fun". :P

Autumn_girl
08-14-2011, 03:47 AM
Leonova from Worlds would have beaten Meissner with a flawless skate with 2 triple-triples, 7 triples, and high PCS at the 2006 Worlds. Thanks for the laughs on that one. :lol:

In 2006 no, but how many Meissner's triples would've been ratified in 2011?..

Jenna
08-14-2011, 04:39 AM
Leonova from Worlds would have beaten Meissner with a flawless skate with 2 triple-triples, 7 triples, and high PCS at the 2006 Worlds. Thanks for the laughs on that one. :lol:

Flawless? I love Kimmie dearly, but I know that only 5 of those 7 triples would have counted now-a-days. Alena did 6 clean ones. Don't get me started on spins and steps! Leonova also didn't benefit from having a spiral sequence (more points) in either program. Leonova's SP in 2011 was also superior to Kimmie's in 2006. And as brought up by another poster, Kimmie was the beneficiary of very high PCS because of a stunning skate on a night of pretty mediocre performances. She never received such high PCS again, nor did she deserve it.

I have to admit I laugh time and time again when I see yet another trash can thread started by you. So, I guess I can say "Thanks for the laughs," too! :lol: :40beers: :P

pinky166
08-14-2011, 04:54 AM
The womens field is terrible now. The World title was won by an early 80s caliber gold medal performance, the Olympic Champion skated at 45% of her Olympic and previous years caliber and still very nearly won the World title, and skaters were fighting for the bronze with performances that would barely have them fighting for top 10 most years. Of course the new ones will do very well against this sad crop, especialy with Kim and Ando not even doing the Grand Prix (and who knows when if ever returning), whether they are kitchen soup or not.

A little harsh, but I do get what you are saying. No one really skated like they WANTED to win the World title, that's what I found the most frustrating. All week I saw footage of Miki practicing sick 3lz-3lo, 3s-3lo combos and reeling off 2a-3t like it was nothing, but she didn't go for any of those combos in the actual event and was still able to win. Ditto for Kostner and the Witt-content program that earned her bronze.