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joesk8judg
08-07-2011, 09:58 PM
Is it possible to see on any site the judges individual GOE scores for the Glacier Falls competition? That would be the protocol that is produced at the end of the event with all information set forth. Thanks for your help.

Sylvia
08-07-2011, 10:03 PM
AFAIK, Glacier Falls hasn't ever published the detailed protocols online (not many club competitions do), unfortunately.

Iceman
08-08-2011, 08:54 PM
What's the thinking behind not making the protocols available to the public (fans)?

gkelly
08-08-2011, 08:56 PM
Extra bandwidth for the club website and extra time uploading for the accountants or volunteers, I expect. It's just not a priority on how to allocate resources amid all the details of running a competition.

Aussie Willy
08-09-2011, 03:26 AM
What's the thinking behind not making the protocols available to the public (fans)?
They don't have any obligation to put results on a website and maybe someone is too busy to get the results up on the website. If it was done it is more a courtesy to skaters rather than a requirement of running an event.

Sylvia
08-09-2011, 03:27 AM
What's the thinking behind not making the protocols available to the public (fans)?
Because the fans are not the priority in these summer competitions -- it's the skaters and coaches who have access to their detailed protocols at these club competitions. Some clubs have started publishing detailed protocols online in recent years, but it's a very tiny percentage. Currently not all clubs publish their competition results online -- it's their decision whether or not to do so.

fan5
08-09-2011, 12:44 PM
Because the fans are not the priority in these summer competitions -- it's the skaters and coaches who have access to their detailed protocols at these club competitions. Some clubs have started publishing detailed protocols online in recent years, but it's a very tiny percentage. Currently not all clubs publish their competition results online -- it's their decision whether or not to do so.

Are the detailed protocols publicly posted at the arena during the competition, or are they distributed to skaters and coaches discretely in envelopes?

gkelly
08-09-2011, 12:55 PM
I've never seen them posted. That would take more wall space than there is available.

I have seen them sold at the registration table (e.g., 25 cents for your own page, a dollar or two for the whole event). Or some competitions will just give each skater their own protocol. Sometimes they keep a full copy that they'll let interested people look at quickly.

It's not a secret, but it's often just not convenient to make it available and could be a big waste of paper.

I'm wondering whether within the next 5 or 10 years so many people will want to check results online with handheld devices in the rink that posting results online will take priority over posting on the wall, in which case it will be easier to include the detailed protocols.

But for now getting the results onto the wall is more important, then moving on to the next event, and finally cleaning up and going home.

jenlyon60
08-09-2011, 01:03 PM
Often, the accounting rooms at non-qualifying competitions do not have very good wireless connectivity. Wireless connectivity in many rinks seems to have the best signal strength in the public areas (near the snack bar, lobby, etc.).

Additionally, at non-qualifying competitions, the accountants may not be members of the home club and may not (almost certainly probably will not) have the correct permissions to post "live" results to the club's website.

At many IJS competitions in my area, the skaters can pick up a copy of their own protocol sheet for free from registration. Copies of the full results (and anything else) are usually for sale for a small fee. Although some competitions are opting to not deal with selling results, and just posting the full results online after the competition is over (and they receive an HTML version of the full results from the accountants).