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simus
08-02-2011, 11:41 PM
Could someone please let me know where I could get detailed results of Figure Skating World championships which took place in 1990s?

Such as the rankings given by each of the nine judges. I need this information for a scientific study.

I could find detailed results for 2001 and 2002 championships, such as this

http://www.icecalc.org/events/wc2002/results/SEG063.HTM

but could not find anything from 1990s.

I would appreciate if you could help.

Capella
08-03-2011, 01:42 AM
http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-130463-131771-nav-list,00.html

simus
08-03-2011, 02:25 AM
http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-130463-131771-nav-list,00.html

That page contains no such information.

Clay
08-03-2011, 03:37 AM
You may not find anything before 2001. I remember seeing the icecalc info for the first time online around 1998 worlds. A few Japanese fan pages contained the detailed marks from 1996 and 1997, but those web sites are long gone. I lost the print outs too.

Vagabond
08-03-2011, 06:44 AM
Could someone please let me know where I could get detailed results of Figure Skating World championships which took place in 1990s?

Such as the rankings given by each of the nine judges. I need this information for a scientific study.

I could find detailed results for 2001 and 2002 championships, such as this

http://www.icecalc.org/events/wc2002/results/SEG063.HTM

but could not find anything from 1990s.

I would appreciate if you could help.


http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-130463-131771-nav-list,00.html


That page contains no such information.

simus:

Welcome to FSU. :)

If you follow the links in Capella's post far enough, you can find the results for 1999 Worlds here: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.icecalc.com/results/*

And you can find results for some other competitions here: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.icecalc.com/results/*

Unfortunately, the results of the 2000 Worlds aren't available through these links, apparently because the venue was changed after the Internet database was set up for the competition.

You can also find detailed results for skating at the Olympics here: http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/sports/FSK/ (Click on the links under "Events" and follow the links.)

Another useful site -- though it doesn't have what you're looking for -- can be found here: http://www.eiskunstlauf-ecke.de/archive.shtml.

Finally, I have a suggestion for you. You might try contacting the ISU and either ask them directly or see whether they might be willing to post the information. You can find their online contact page here: http://www.isu.org/vsite/vform/page/feedback/1,11038,4844-204520-221743-313549-user-feedback-start,00.html

Clay
08-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Good news: through the web archive, I found 1998 Worlds

http://web.archive.org/web/20000308235512/http://www.wige.de/Skating/Minneapolis/default.htm

I searched skateweb, which had an event listing since Sandra Loosemore attended the event. She had links to the LOC website, which had links to the scores. Fascinating looking at those ordinals from 1998 worlds ladies.

If you could find the organize committee's web sites from 97 & '00, you may be able to find the marks.

ETA: 2000
http://web.archive.org/web/20000511001213/http://nice2000.org/english/index.html

Hope that works:Interesting to me that the results archive didn't appear when I searched the icecalc page, or the french version of the results page.

Vagabond
08-03-2011, 06:05 PM
Ah, ha! I found the results for 2000: http://web.archive.org/web/20001203224900/http://www.icecalc.com/events/wc2000/results/index.htm

This page http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/archive/index.htm has links with some information, but not detailed scores, going back to 1996.

I have a feeling that the detailed scores were never posted on line prior to the 1997-98 season.

ETA:

Some of these scores under 6.0 make me go :rofl: :rolleyes: :yikes: or :scream:

For example:

In the 1998 Ladies FS, the Japanese judge ranked Anna Rechnio sixth. The judges ranked Tatiana Malinina anywhere between second and ninth, and Tonia Kwiatkowski anywhere between fourth and fifteenth.

In the 2000 Men's FS, most of the judges ranked Takeshi Honda eighth or ninth,but the Japanese judge ranked him second.

In the 2000 Pairs FS, seven judges ranked Petrova & Tikhonov first. The U.S. and Canadian judges ranked them fourth.

Would someone please remind me what was so good about 6.0?

simus
08-03-2011, 09:58 PM
simus:
If you follow the links in Capella's post far enough, you can find the results for 1999 Worlds here: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.icecalc.com/results/*

And you can find results for some other competitions here: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.icecalc.com/results/*

If you follow the links far enough starting from most webpages you can get to almost any other webpage. So I wonder: what was the exact chain?


You can also find detailed results for skating at the Olympics here: http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/sports/FSK/ (Click on the links under "Events" and follow the links.)

That's a useful website. Thanks.


Finally, I have a suggestion for you. You might try contacting the ISU and either ask them directly or see whether they might be willing to post the information. You can find their online contact page here: http://www.isu.org/vsite/vform/page/feedback/1,11038,4844-204520-221743-313549-user-feedback-start,00.html
I did that a week ago. No reply.

CaptCrunch
08-04-2011, 12:34 AM
What was so good about 6.0?

Vagabond told us exactly what was so good about it in his/her post. At least under 6.0 you knew what marks and placements the judges were giving. For me that's much much better then the secret judging under CoP.

Vagabond
08-04-2011, 12:45 AM
Anonymous judging isn't an intrinsic part of CoP. The judges on the Junior Grand Prix are not anonymous.

Really
08-04-2011, 01:44 AM
We know what marks the judges are giving. We just don't know exactly which judge is giving which mark. *shrug*