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Skittl1321
07-21-2011, 09:16 PM
And ironic considering he is talking about beauty on ice :slinkaway

Oh, I wasn't saying that it is sad he is being described that way. Just that it's sad that is all the article is about, because I thought it meant there would be a Lady Gaga on Ice, as Johnny keeps talking about wanting.

overedge
07-21-2011, 09:32 PM
Maybe he has evolved? Or are we to expect that no one can grow / change / adapt over the course of a year and a half?

My :rolleyes: was about his explanation why he didn't receive a medal in Vancouver, not about the possibility that he might have changed his attitudes since then.

mia joy
07-21-2011, 09:35 PM
I agree with him in terms of ice dancing. It has really lost a lot under the new system. It's more skating from one element to another than dancing. It's hardly as dramatic, elegant and romantic as it used to be. There are actually only a few dance teams whose performances I find exciting or just purely beautiful. Many of them are just boring.

And I would also say CoP does pay too much attention to unnoticeable details sometimes. It doesn't really leave any space for the skater to show his/her personality. Free programs are hardly free anymore. I know 6.0 was terrible, unjust and hurting badly many wonderful skaters, cause it was basically giving people medals for reputation, but it is also true that Yagudin or Kwan would never happen under CoP.

But then again, I agree that the quality of skating has improved dramatically. CoP has definitely given us better spins, steps and more complex programs. I just think it could give the skaters a bit more space to be themselves, otherwise in a couple of years we'll be left with an army of styleless but technically amazing Chans.

Ziggy
07-21-2011, 10:36 PM
Please move this to the trash can! :scream:

l'etoile
07-21-2011, 10:48 PM
oh boy I don't prefer Weir's kind of beauty that's for sure. that guy was given with wonderful programs, full of interesting trasitions at the olympic season. and What did we see? If he does attend at Sochi olympics, it'll be a pity.

Justathoughtabl
07-21-2011, 10:49 PM
Again, I bring up Stephane Lambiel's suggestion to make the short program the more technical one and the free program the more artistic one, so skaters can show their artistry/creativity. I don't know how serious Lambiel was, but it sounded interesting to me.

luCN
07-22-2011, 02:17 AM
another artical about it:
http://roll.sohu.com/20110722/n314201283.shtml

“He(Patrick Chan) did good in this year's Worlds,but ISU's marking system is like "ancient curio" as always.There are many good skaters in china,hope they can challenge and make a change,don't consider just the points.Now many young people skate for a long time,but don't know what they are doing." he became more directly today compare last year,"Then let me make the rules,I can make a rule,and can represent Art and Fashion at the same time."

Nikki Lee
07-22-2011, 09:43 AM
Sure, there are more restrictions now. But they can be seen as an opportunity for creativity.

Virtue and Moir's free dance at the Olympics was transcendent, even with the incredibly high level of difficulty in their performance. Their movements had meaning. They made it work for them. I'd even argue that the high number of required elements forced them to be more creative, and made the performance better.

Same with Yuna Kim.

It's not that gorgeous performances can't still exist. It's that it's harder to do.

Lovely comment.

Wyliefan
07-22-2011, 01:50 PM
And ironic considering he is talking about beauty on ice :slinkaway

My thoughts exactly. If Lady Gaga's type of shtick represents beauty, I'll take ugliness, thanks.

mmscfdcsu
07-22-2011, 02:02 PM
My thoughts exactly. If Lady Gaga's type of shtick represents beauty, I'll take ugliness, thanks.

Beauty is not teen pop numbers such as Gaga, or totally ego centered numbers. Artistry does not consist of using the same tired old moves in the same order no matter what music is playing. I am beyond sick of the donut spin, ice slide and triple toe or triple lutz combined with the fire hydrant leg lift.

Margaret
07-22-2011, 04:18 PM
Oh come on, he's had two exhibition numbers to Lady Gaga and most of his programs, both competitive and exhibition, have been lyrical and even traditional figure skating. It wasn't long ago when he was slammed for being "the prima ballerina on the ice". People forget easily.

mmscfdcsu
07-22-2011, 04:24 PM
Oh come on, he's had two exhibition numbers to Lady Gaga and most of his programs, both competitive and exhibition, have been lyrical and even traditional figure skating. It wasn't long ago when he was slammed for being "the prima ballerina on the ice". People forget easily.

He has had plenty of pure ego numbers as well. My Way, the Jesus number, etc. It is supposed to be about entertaining the audience, not about hey look at me, I'm so special.

Justathoughtabl
07-22-2011, 04:45 PM
He has had plenty of pure ego numbers as well. My Way, the Jesus number, etc. It is supposed to be about entertaining the audience, not about hey look at me, I'm so special.

I wouldn't say he's saying "look at me, I'm so special" any more than Kurt Browning or Yuna Kim is. It's a performance. Ego has a place in artistry, I'd say. Art is supposed to be a reflection of the artist, right? So I love how he picks the music as a reflection of what's happening in his life. I personally LOVED My Way, as well as Feeling Good, All in Love in Fair, Unchained Melody, Imagine, etc. And I loved that number he did in Korea-- You Made Me Impressed. Yes, he does use a lot of the same moves, but he does them so well and with so much grace. I would love to see him team up with a creative choreographer for his next exhibition piece...someone who would say, "How about a different spin this time?" or "How about skipping the slide?" I'd say he'd really achieve something artistically if he could combine his natural grace with someone else's creative vision. Gosh, Fallen Angels (the trio number) was great.

overedge
07-22-2011, 06:16 PM
I wouldn't say he's saying "look at me, I'm so special" any more than Kurt Browning or Yuna Kim is.

I would say that Johnny has done many more programs that he has specifically said are about him and/or his life than either of these skaters have done.

Doubletoe
07-22-2011, 07:04 PM
I do understand the frustrations many people feel with the constraints of the new system, but under 6.0 we saw a few transcendent programs and a huge number of mediocre ones. Most 6.0 programs would be considered "fridge breaks" today.

Today there are still just a few truly transcendent programs, but overall skating quality is higher and I'm enjoying many more skaters.

Under the new system we're seeing much better quality step sequences and spins across the board, and cheating of jumps/poor flow out is no longer considered acceptable. It used to be that even world medalists could get away with crappy spins and simple stroking between elements. When I go back and watch older videos now, I'm usually disappointed in what I see. (And the videos that made it to onto Youtube are generally of the better performances.) There was a lot of posing, especially in the slow part in the middle (which was generally designed for skaters to catch their breath), unrelated musical selections were spliced together with no unifying concept, poor skating skills, etc. Our expectations are much higher today.

The freedom to be creative did not lead, overall, to great creativity and high standards back in the day, because people could win without it. We should probably find a way to liberalize COP, but IMO we shouldn't romanticize the reality of how people used (or in fact didn't use) the freedom that 6.0 gave them. In other words, I feel that as we tweak the new system, we should make sure to retain the benefits that COP has brought.

^ This, exactly. And Patrick Chan manages to deliver artistry and beauty while also racking up points, as did Takahashi and Buttle. Sounds like sour grapes from Johnny. BTW, I also vote this thread be moved to the Trash Can, "cause I was bored this way." ;)