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TheIronLady
07-20-2011, 10:52 PM
But you do know the real story.....;) (I am sorry, in advance, that Russia is bigger than Poland, and visited your lands on few historic occasions, but that's no reason to twist facts)....

Elene was not “expelled from Russia”….

Russia and Georgia, as many know, are now separate countries. Elene had a Residence Permit to live and train in Russia, but her mother did not, yet she, her mother wanted to stay with Elene.

The Mother frowned on the proper Russia immigration procedures, claiming they are too long and too complex, and obtained an illegal (fake) residence permit. Later she claimed she was cheated by a company who guaranteed her legitimate paperwork, which is a complete B.S…. Nobody who spends 1 day in Russia believes that a “private company” can issue a Legal Residence permit…. And if they can…. It’s still through illegal methods of bribery…

The Mother was asked to leave Russia due to lack of proper papers and residence document fraud, and Elene threw a hissey fit about “evil Russia” and left with her Mother….

:D

This occured in the aftermath of Georgia's "Rose Revolutions," which caused backlash from Russia-- all the way through to the Ruso-Georgian War of 2008. I am not surprised Russian officials targeted Elene and her mother in these years, and I believe her Russian coach Elena Vodorezova acknowledged the events had a political tenor. It was not a teenager having a hissyfit and an irresponsible mother. They were targeted on a technicality for being Georgians in Russia, a country where law is based on who you are rather than what laws say.

Tinami Amori
07-21-2011, 12:55 AM
How old was Elene at the time? 16, right? I really wouldn't blame her for having a "hissy fit" over her mother getting thrown out of the country, regardless of circumstance.

Evgeniy Plushenko was less than 10 years old (I think) when his parents left him in Leningrad (St. Petersburg) with Mishin, and later to live in a dormitory. Plushenko mentioned in his earlier notes that he was very intimidated and bullied by older boys, both at the rink and the sleeping quarters, but he bit his lip and endured.

Oksana Bayoul was slightly over 10 years old (I think) when her mother died, while she was at the rink practicing. She slept on benches at the rink because no-one came to pick her up, until her coach took her in.


This occured in the aftermath of Georgia's "Rose Revolutions," which caused backlash from Russia-- all the way through to the Ruso-Georgian War of 2008. I am not surprised Russian officials targeted Elene and her mother in these years, and I believe her Russian coach Elena Vodorezova acknowledged the events had a political tenor. It was not a teenager having a hissyfit and an irresponsible mother. They were targeted on a technicality for being Georgians in Russia, a country where law is based on who you are rather than what laws say.

You are correct about the political atmosphere between Russia and Georgia at the time. Elene’s mother situation however is very generic to any country which has immigration/residence requirements and procedures.

If her Mother tried and tried and tried to legitimately obtain legal residence, and was discriminated against for political reasons, I can see her giving up and Elene in support of her, leaving the country.

But Elene was “somebody” apparently …. :D…. and being that “somebody” was enough to get her legal residence status officially, in-spite of her being Georgian.

Her mother was not facing “discrimination” with her papers, she never bothered to apply legally; she just did not want to go through a lengthy process, and took an illegal short cut, in congruence with so many people from former USSR, who are used to taking “short cuts” and a by-pass the laws.

When you live in a system for 30-40 years, or even less, like Elene’s mother, and is used to certain ways of solving problems, just because some draws a line called “border” in that geographic region, does not suddenly make you a law abiding citizen…… :lol:. Elene’s mother is VERY much a product of Soviet System.. and she got caught at doing things “the old ways”.

Elene and Mother were not “targeted”. If they were specifically targeted then Elene would not get her papers officially. They were randomly stopped on the street for immigration check, and Mother had fake papers. Weather one agrees with Russian immigration checks or not is another story. The point is – Elene and Mother were not singled out and invited to the local MID office for special paper-check…. They were subject to a random documents street check many foreigners are subjected to, including Europeans and North Americans.

And the most important point. Let's say they were "singled out". But if Mother had legal papers, she would not have been asked to leave. The logic "everyone breaks these laws, so why pick on me for breaking them" does not work in courts of law.....:P

Coco
07-21-2011, 01:03 AM
Doesn't this situation violate the ISU rule which says that a country has to have an ice rink in order to qualify for ISU membership? This was a big sticking point in the Puerto Rico membership bid.

MAybe they were grandfathered in as a former Soviet republic?

Ziggy
07-21-2011, 04:50 AM
Doesn't this situation violate the ISU rule which says that a country has to have an ice rink in order to qualify for ISU membership? This was a big sticking point in the Puerto Rico membership bid.

I think that once you are a member, you can't get your membership taken away just because the rink isn't there any more?

TheIronLady
07-21-2011, 06:00 AM
I think that once you are a member, you can't get your membership taken away just because the rink isn't there any more?

That's amazing, but it would also explain how AZE has remained in the ISU.

Ziggy
07-21-2011, 06:15 AM
That's amazing, but it would also explain how AZE has remained in the ISU.

Well but that's only if a member is active, ie. has skaters training elsewhere and competing.

Just to clarify, I am just guessing here but this appears to be the case.

kwanfan1818
07-21-2011, 06:19 AM
Ah, yes, the old way, like in the Moskvina interview where she got Berezhnaia registered at her address, when she was really living with Sikharulidze's family.

viennese
07-21-2011, 02:12 PM
Happy she's still competing. She's fun to watch and is always a highlight of competition - I love a skater who *loves* her audience)

(But I hope she goes back to natural brunette. Blonde, not right for her)