Lady Gaga Egged

[kwanatic]

Oh good, the opportunity I needed to post this version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvib07TvJ1w) of Born This Way, which is so much better. (It's a capella and she does a great job.)

I find Gaga a bit exhausting with all of the stunts and crazy outfits and stuff...

BUT you can't deny talent and she sang the HELL outta this song!! This was honestly my favorite part of the concert (that and her performance of Speechless). I resisted listening to Lady Gaga's music for quite a while b/c she was just so weird :lol:...but after hearing her speak, listening to her music and the message she (somewhat oddly) attempts to convey, I get it and, for the most part, I get her.

I thought her concert was decent (not the best I've seen but good) but I was more impressed with her performances more than anything else. I love that she sings live. That's something that I really respect. I also didn't realize that she plays piano...again, respect. That's something not everyone can do.

She's really strange and weird...but the chick is talented. I don't think anyone can take that away from her. I'm not a super-fan of hers; she has some uber-crazy little monsters...but I do enjoy her music.:rolleyes:

[FigureSpins]

They were all working at clubs and performing with bands in the early 1980's well before they recorded albums. Whose album came out first doesn't really mean that they weren't influenced by one another. I think they all borrowed from each other and criticized each other for doing it.

At the time, Cindy Lauper and Debbie Harry seemed to be the more talented artists (they played, sang and wrote songs) I remember the local DJs making a big deal out of them and I don't think it was all Payola.

However, I think Madonna's a shrewd businesswoman and was able to leverage her talent and minimize her weaknesses, which is why she became a bigger star, imo. She knew how to negotiate and manage her life, whereas the others didn't have that skill set. Her ability to self-promote was beyond comparison. I wish Lauper had copied THAT from Madonna - she would have done much better.

I've really lost interest in anything Gaga does these days. I'm tired of "issue" songs and anthems and I don't like synthesized voices. (She doesn't need it - it's just for effect.) I've never liked over-the-top stunts for attention. She definitely has talent and can sing a variety of songs and styles. I'm just not liking the selections.

[orbitz]

At the time, Cindy Lauper and Debbie Harry seemed to be the more talented artists (they played, sang and wrote songs) I remember the local DJs making a big deal out of them and I don't think it was all Payola.


Cindy was the one with The Voice, whereas Madonna didn't. I can still recall the Time magazine with both of them on the cover in the early 80s. Inside, the mag predicted Lauper will have a long singing career, whereas Madonna will give up singing and become a movie star instead. Oops :)




However, I think Madonna's a shrewd businesswoman and was able to leverage her talent and minimize her weaknesses, which is why she became a bigger star, imo. She knew how to negotiate and manage her life, whereas the others didn't have that skill set. Her ability to self-promote was beyond comparison. I wish Lauper had copied THAT from Madonna - she would have done much better.

I think it's more than the ability to self-promote on Madonna's part though. Her popularity is still due in a large part to her music. She couldn't have lasted this long in the industry if most of her music wasn't at least highly listenable. Ok, so her voice was never the best, but she does have musical talent to write, produce songs, and work with the right people to turn out hits after hits.

Not sure what went wrong with Lauper after her 3rd album "I Drove All Night". Nothing she created since then make me want to listen to them, although she did have sort of a semi-hit with a dance record a few years back.



I've really lost interest in anything Gaga does these days. I'm tired of "issue" songs and anthems and I don't like synthesized voices. (She doesn't need it - it's just for effect.) I've never liked over-the-top stunts for attention. She definitely has talent and can sing a variety of songs and styles. I'm just not liking the selections.

I think it's interesting that Gaga's most popular song from the new album is also its most traditional: "Edge of Glory" has no gimmick. Just simple melody and lyrics. And no speaking during the song!

[olympic]

IMO, Madonna had incredible momentum thru the '80s and hit her peak around '89 - '91. But then, she ran into a big pothole with that Erotica album and Sex Book in '92, which I think temporarily killed that momentum and created a backlash. Still, she came back with Ray of Light in '98, then Music in '00, but hit another pothole with that stinker 'American Life' in '03.

I think the explosion of various media channels over the past 10 years means that the older dinosaurs like Madonna don't get to dominate anymore...Or hardly anyone for that matter. Also, she's in her 50s and it's virtually impossible for her to have the energy to cover this huge proliferation of media bases, which didn't exist in the 80s and 90s. Back then, it was easier to dominate: The big stars only had to release an album, release the best singles and make corresponding videos for MTV, perhaps generate some controversy and maybe get on a TV or radio talk show.

It's why I respect Lady Gaga because she's somehow managing to dominate TV, Youtube, album sales in spite of Youtube and streaming, even in this technologically crazy world with ADD [even if it may be for a short time]

[genevieve]

I meant the videos and her image - Even if Madonna released her album sooner, Cyndi raced to the top faster than Madonna and had her videos out on MTV rotation sooner. And Cyndi probably grabbed the originality award due to that, but the truth is they may have just been alike and coincidentally premiering around the same time.
:huh: I don't get this at ALL. Madonna and Cyndi Lauper arrived at the same time, both skyrocketed at the same time, if anything Madonna was the bigger star from the very beginning - Cyndi Lauper had the immediate monster hit in "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun", but Madonna had an endless supply of singles and videos while Lauper's were more spaced out. Style-wise, those two had nothing in common (other than it being the '80s and day-glo infected everyone).

[orbitz]

Express Yourself - The video really borrows heavily from German film in the 1920s and Marlene Dietrich / Madonna herself said the music is a tribute to Sly and the Family Stone. [I think it's funny that Gaga is accused of ripping her off here, when Express Yourself is not exactly entirely original]


Madge admitted publicly and gave credit when her songs were borrowed/sampled from other artists. Gaga didn't say anything (and still hasn't) when people accused Born This Way of sounding way too similar to Express Yourself. Personally I didn't connect the two when BTW first came out.

[olympic]

:huh: I don't get this at ALL. Madonna and Cyndi Lauper arrived at the same time, both skyrocketed at the same time, if anything Madonna was the bigger star from the very beginning - Cyndi Lauper had the immediate monster hit in "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun", but Madonna had an endless supply of singles and videos while Lauper's were more spaced out. Style-wise, those two had nothing in common (other than it being the '80s and day-glo infected everyone).

Not really in their first year - Cyndi Lauper was all over her in 1984 when both hit the charts around the same time - Girls Just Wanna Have Fun reaching #2 on the Billboard Hot 100, Time after Time #1, and She Bop #3 all in '84. Madonna's biggest hit was Lucky Star in Oct. '84 reaching #4.

But, that would all change when Like a Virgin hit #1 at the end of the year.

[olympic]

Madge admitted publicly and gave credit when her songs were borrowed/sampled from other artists. Gaga didn't say anything (and still hasn't) when people accused Born This Way of sounding way too similar to Express Yourself. Personally I didn't connect the two when BTW first came out.

Yeah. I don't hear the similarities either. I don't recall Madonna admitting to every case of borrowing and sampling, but I know she's borrowed quite a bit.

[antmanb]

IMO, Madonna had incredible momentum thru the '80s and hit her peak around '89 - '91. But then, she ran into a big pothole with that Erotica album and Sex Book in '92, which I think temporarily killed that momentum and created a backlash.

I loved the Erotica album :shuffle:

Rain is still one of my favourite songs by Madonna.

[olympic]

I loved the Erotica album :shuffle:

Rain is still one of my favourite songs by Madonna.

I actually liked the sexy beats of 'Erotica' and the OTT video. BTW, the song 'Erotica' sampled 'Jungle Boogie'

But, I was just going by what was written about 'Erotica' and its album sales in the early 90s: The sales of Erotica were far lower than 'Like a Prayer', 'True Blue', and 'Like a Virgin'. It was also the 1st album since her debut w/o a #1 single. IIRC, the press she got for her accompanying book 'Sex' was also pretty :blah: .... 'a bridge too far'