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stevlin
07-16-2011, 03:10 AM
I would like to see certain skaters stop their arm flailings. It is ugly to watch. Also ladies layback spins where the leg off the ice droops instead of extending it outward. Also sit spins should be close to the ice [butt close].

misskarne
07-16-2011, 10:13 AM
What I was thinking of was that I never want to see a skater do what Joshua Farris did at US Nationals: skate what appeared to be a whole program on a broken ankle. I don't think a skater is brave to do something like that, falling or nearly falling on every jump. What they are doing is injure themselves.

If they don't stop, then the officials should stop it. If equipment is broken and the skater doesn't stop, AFAIR, the ref can stop the skate. The same should be true of a broken leg, although granted the leg is not as immediately obvious as a skatelace.

I don't think skaters hurting themselves should be encouraged. If a 3 fall rule catches the occasional 3 fall elite skater, that would not bother me either.


To fix that, remove Tom Z's coaching credentials. That poor kid should never have got on the ice for the short program, let alone the long. He didn't want to get off because Tom Z was glaring at him to continue and when he finally did get off Z was acting all disappointed in him because he didn't skate better. Disgraceful IMO.

briancoogaert
07-16-2011, 12:53 PM
True.

So how could the rules be written to reward this difference appropriately?

Will just giving a multiplier to the second jump in the combination take care of it?
Yes, for example, giving a multiplier on the second jump. And doing this even if the attempt is underrotated on the second jump. In order to encourage skaters to take some risk !

RockTheTassel
07-16-2011, 08:00 PM
-3 falls in any program, and you are assumed to be too injured to continue to skate; leave the ice.

Having watched several skaters fall many times in the LP, I would really have appreciated it if the ref had escorted them off after the 3rd fall. In hindsight, I bet they would appreciate it too.

I think it would be much more embarrassing to be escorted off the ice in the middle of a bad program than it would be to just finish it. I'll bet there are plenty of skaters who are glad they finished bad programs, even if they hated being out there at the time.

In the case of injured skaters, no one is forcing them to finish the program. They're allowed to withdraw at any time. There's no way to know how many falls they can take before they're too injured to skate, either. Some skaters could get hurt after one fall, while others might take numerous falls and be fine.

A "so many falls and you're out" rule might also lead to more skaters developing a habit of popping jumps since they know falls could lead to disqualification.

Seerek
07-17-2011, 04:28 AM
required jump combinations with a loop jump

required all six jump types in a program - regardless if you can/can't do the triples properly

competitors' nation's flag on the costume for at least the short program/dance

serpentine step sequences option for singles

Screenie
07-17-2011, 06:06 AM
someone may have already said this, but I would just want to take away rules. There's thousands of them. The fewer the better.

triple_toe
07-17-2011, 08:36 AM
serpentine step sequences option for singles

This is already possible, just not popular since they take up so much time.

SmallFairy
07-17-2011, 12:07 PM
This is already possible, just not popular since they take up so much time.

once, there was a time, when a man name Alexei Yagudin did the serpentine steps in his short programs.....

misskarne
07-17-2011, 01:26 PM
once, there was a time, when a man name Alexei Yagudin did the serpentine steps in his short programs.....

...back in the days when footwork was fast, and awesome, and involved the music, not every turn and movement ever invented.

Sorry, your comparison is flawed. I loved Yags' footwork - but the scoring systems are completely different and led to two different styles of footwork. Yagudin's was superb, but it would barely make level 1 under CoP. That's the point everyone's trying to make.

(Kulik was also a serpentine fan in the SP.)

Rex
07-17-2011, 01:35 PM
Keeping skaters from using the same music over and over. I would not allow them to use the previous season's programs.

SmallFairy
07-17-2011, 02:19 PM
...back in the days when footwork was fast, and awesome, and involved the music, not every turn and movement ever invented.

Sorry, your comparison is flawed. I loved Yags' footwork - but the scoring systems are completely different and led to two different styles of footwork. Yagudin's was superb, but it would barely make level 1 under CoP. That's the point everyone's trying to make.

(Kulik was also a serpentine fan in the SP.)

I know, and I never said Yags was competative under CoP.
It wasn't a comparison, it was me daydreaming.

But his steps were fast and awsome, and involved the music, not every turn and movement ever invented, so on that we agree:D, and that's why I'd rather watch him (or Sahsa Abt) all day long, level 1 or not.
When I read "serpentine steps" the first impression that dropped into my mind was Yagudins fab Nutrocker sp. awwwww....

icenut84
07-17-2011, 03:22 PM
-3 falls in any program, and you are assumed to be too injured to continue to skate; leave the ice.

Having watched several skaters fall many times in the LP, I would really have appreciated it if the ref had escorted them off after the 3rd fall. In hindsight, I bet they would appreciate it too.

I can't imagine any skater would appreciate being escorted off the ice! Joshua Farris maybe, but I can't think of anyone else in the situation he was in. Normally skaters will always stop if they've hurt themselves or are injured, and only carry on if they can. Plenty of skaters have had three falls but still had a decent skate and won medals. Especially if you're incuding things like tripping on crossovers or sitting down on a turn, which are nothing to do with injury but are just daft mistakes. There's been so many pretty good performances with two falls - imagine if the skater also tripped on a crossover near the end, bounced straight back up again, and had the music stopped because of it? Would you really want to see that?

Not to mention the fact that disqualifying someone for this would have enormous ramifications on other things. Their country would miss out on a placement which could make the difference between getting one spot or three, you could be preventing them making a world team that they otherwise would have made, everyone else's placements are affected, etc. Plus everyone would play it safe or pop jumps to avoid falling at all costs.

It would also be massively unfair to basically not allow someone to finish their competition for what could be freak mistakes that don't even impact that much on the performance. Everyone wants to complete the competition, unless they're seriously too injured to, in which case they would withdraw.

giselle23
07-17-2011, 09:23 PM
So many good ideas here. In particular, I prefer the old-style footwork and would like to see more skaters doing the full set of jumps, which seemed to be more the norm under the old system. I also would like to see a rule change devaluing Biellmanns as a technical matter and banning the I-spin for everyone except Sasha Cohen.

viennese
07-18-2011, 01:18 AM
1) In FS, one extra virtuoso spin - a layback, scratch, crossfoot, sideleaning position - with emphasis on speed, centering, perfection in position. So many combo spins look like hard labor

2) I'd love to see more half revolution to 1 and a 1/2 rev. jumps as connecting moves or in step sequences...and not have them count as jumping passes. The split flip, lutz, inside axel, one leg axel - or low rev. jumps done in the skater's opposite direction, just to show they can do it.

Jenna
07-18-2011, 06:14 AM
It's probably been said before, but I haven't read through the thread, so..

1.00 or even a 2.00 bonus to:

A) Ladies skater who successfully completes a 3S, 3T, 3Lo, 3F, 3Lz with 0.00 GOE or higher.

B) Mens skater who successfully completes a 3S, 3T, 3Lo, 3F, 3Lz, 3A with 0.00 GOE or higher.

Yes, edge calls would affect GOE. It would encourage skaters to learn proper technique and include a variety of jumps in programs.


Also:

1.00 or even a 2.00 bonus to:

A) Ladies skater who successfully completes any triple-triple jump combination with 0.00 GOE or higher.
B) Mens skater who successfully completes any quadruple-triple jump combination with 0.00 GOE or higher.