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essence_of_soy
07-19-2011, 07:54 AM
Just because it's summertime doesn't mean you have to be sarcastic about the judges. They would not pander to a Moscow audience or vote a certain way because Yu-Na Kim's mother owns them. I'm serious about this.

As a die hard Mao fan, I can say I think the SP was judged fairly. Kim's lutz, while not deserving of the +1 GOE given by one cheating judge, was scored appropriately by most of the panel. Her spin positions are awful, but they judged them according to the rule book, rewarding her blurred speed. Kim deserved the SP win.

I have a two - legged chair I'd like to sell you, by the way.

RumbleFish
07-19-2011, 08:03 AM
Sorry for being off topic, but watching her haters crawling out like worms do in a rainy day gives me a hunch that someting nice is going on with Yuna.

Is she about to announce schedule of her shows in LA, perhaps?

allezfred
07-19-2011, 11:14 AM
What I found very strange in the 2001 Pairs SP was S&P's placement in the SP. She fell on the SBS jump yet they were barely third on a 5-4 split with S&Z, and well ahead of many cleaner pairs.

This was the most WTF judging moment I can remember and I was in Vancouver watching it live. Sale & Pelletier should have been at the very least fourth after the SP.

But then again as Tamara Moskvina said in a recent interview they were really being pushed during 1999-2001 to be established as gold medal favourites going into Salt Lake City.

http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3235985&postcount=32


All was set to make them the champions. Everything! For two years the judges from different countries approached me and said Tamara, that person who holds this position on the ISU explains how the Canadians are better. Then was the Worlds before the Olympics where the Canadian pair won with the fall, despite the clean skates by Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze. So I told myself: this is the political situation.


The result of pairs in Vancouver was a much bigger scandal than pairs in SLC, but didn't receive the same media coverage because the "right" pair won. ;)

ponta1
07-19-2011, 05:27 PM
Sorry for being off topic, but watching her haters crawling out like worms do in a rainy day gives me a hunch that someting nice is going on with Yuna.

Is she about to announce schedule of her shows in LA, perhaps?

And this coming from the one who trashes every Japanese skater out there....

Jenna
07-19-2011, 05:53 PM
And this coming from the one who trashes every Japanese skater out there....

Sigh. Do we have to bring the Korea versus Japan war to FSU, too?

ponta1
07-19-2011, 06:12 PM
Sigh. Do we have to bring the Korea versus Japan war to FSU, too?

Uh, you're the one who just brought up Korea, not me.

Anyway, end of subject.

Proustable
07-20-2011, 02:19 AM
1994 Olympics competition for me, not just Baiul over Kerrigan (which was a right decision for skating but a wrong decision for that particular competition), but also the under-appreciation of Lu Chen and Yuka Sato. The free skates really should have gone Kerrigan, Chen and Sato, or Chen, Kerrigan and Sato. Baiul should still medal due to a strong sp (IIRC Sato singled the lutz in the sp?), but I don't think the combination of her performances deserved the win.

The men's competition I think was correctly judged. Urmanov beat Stojko 8-1. It was a pity the 3 veterans faltered in the sp, but I really think Petrenko deserved to win the free, followed by Browning and then Urmanov and Boitano. Stojko and Candeloro had no business comparing quality skating with them.

Other controversial decisions are Lipinski over Gusmeroli (and even Kwan IMO) at 1997 worlds sp which ultimately cost Kwan the world title that year, as well as adding Soldatova to the mix of Malinina, Kwan and Gusmeroli at 1999 worlds. Her being held up ultimately cost Malinina her medal.

Petrenko rarely gets brought up in Lillehammer, but I too thought he should've won the free skate. I was floored by just how mediocre Stojko was and Urmanov, while better, certainly wasn't that great.

Marco
07-20-2011, 03:01 AM
Petrenko rarely gets brought up in Lillehammer, but I too thought he should've won the free skate. I was floored by just how mediocre Stojko was and Urmanov, while better, certainly wasn't that great.

That's because he didn't even skate in the final group (but still received 5.9/6.0 which was wrong from a pure judging standpoint with 6 more skaters to go).

Urmanov was certainly not the best skater in that competition but overall probably did deliver the best competitive performances in that competition to merit the win.

Seerek
07-20-2011, 03:34 AM
I'm inclined to believe that had Yuka Sato been 6th in the technical program and thus in the final group, the judges might have very well put her 3rd in the free skate over Lu Chen (who was 4th) and thus, giving her the bronze medal overall - that one is actually quite the toss up.

Marco
07-20-2011, 03:55 AM
I'm inclined to believe that had Yuka Sato been 6th in the technical program and thus in the final group, the judges might have very well put her 3rd in the free skate over Lu Chen (who was 4th) and thus, giving her the bronze medal overall - that one is actually quite the toss up.

Except Lu Chen's program was much more difficult both jump-wise and program-wise. I still believe the right thing to do was to leave Baiul off the podium. :P

Coco
07-20-2011, 04:17 AM
:barrel

1994 US Nationals, pairs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0X7fa5PHsg

I can't find the team that ended up 4th (kuchiki & marval?), but ... there are no words!

Triple Butz
07-20-2011, 05:26 AM
Except Lu Chen's program was much more difficult both jump-wise and program-wise. I still believe the right thing to do was to leave Baiul off the podium. :P

Jump-wise for sure, but Yuka was far better in terms of spins, footwork, posture/positions, and (IMO) presentation. A podium of Kerrigan, Chen, and Sato in just about any order sounds good to me, though!


I think one of the poorest judging decisions was the lack of an edge call on Sasha Cohen's "lutz" at the 2010 US Nationals SP. Watching the caller's video and hearing the team's audio feedback was quite disturbing. :rolleyes:

Jenna
07-20-2011, 05:36 AM
Jump-wise for sure, but Yuka was far better in terms of spins, footwork, posture/positions, and (IMO) presentation. A podium of Kerrigan, Chen, and Sato in just about any order sounds good to me, though!


I think one of the poorest judging decisions was the lack of an edge call on Sasha Cohen's "lutz" at the 2010 US Nationals SP. Watching the caller's video and hearing the team's audio feedback was quite disturbing. :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxEObLwnTDU

Interesting. I wish we had access to the reviews for every skater. Wouldn't that be fun? :EVILLE:

Mafke
07-20-2011, 06:50 AM
The result of pairs in Vancouver was a much bigger scandal than pairs in SLC, but didn't receive the same media coverage because the "right" pair won.

Meh, it's not like B/S had a great reputation for being clean (which weakens Moskvina's usual dark mutterings). Without going back and looking at all the SPs as I recall S/P had better pairs quality than some of the cleaner pairs.

5/4 is pretty weak as a conspiracy especially against a team that was noted (at the time) as being all about the big tricks with not much pairs quality and lots of technique problems that the audience didn't notice but the judges had to pay attention to.

S/Z of course developed into one of the most charismatic pairs of all time but they were very far away from that in 2001...

Japanfan
07-20-2011, 07:29 AM
Sorry for being off topic, but watching her haters crawling out like worms do in a rainy day gives me a hunch that someting nice is going on with Yuna.


Questioning Yunah's scores does not mean one hates Yunah.

I too felt she was overscored at Worlds in 2010. It was blatantly obvious that the judges really wanted to give it to her. In contrast, Mao's Bells was under appreciated, although the judges at the Olympics called it right.

However, in 2011 I felt Yunah was judged fairly.