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genevieve
06-30-2011, 07:26 PM
Is Gen in a depression because her girl Vicci didn't win? ((((Gen)))) Maybe you should find where she's playing and offer her comfort. :P
:P

No...yes...no...

I went right from The Voice to SYTYCD last night and didn't have time to post.

First off - congrats to all!!! :cheer2: Tuesday was such a fantastic night of performances there's no way to be disappointed no matter who won. I hope all of them end up getting recording contracts because they're all fab and made great connections with audiences :cool:

I am surprised Javier won - he went from being the frontrunner in the beginning to almost being an afterthought, but clearly he resonated with many fans. Someone said Tues they thought Vicci and Bev may have split votes and I wonder if that's true. Certainly Dia and Javier would have less crossover of fans. But Javier has a fantastic voice and :respec: to him!!! :)

Now about that finale...I appreciate that it was an hour and they just moved things along - but it was OBVIOUS who the top 2 were going to be based on the duet selections. Bev & Vic got HOSED. I like "Drops of Jupiter" (and thank god she didn't have to sing that wretched "Soul Sister" dreck), but Vicci and whatsisname's duet was awful, Their voices didn't mesh at all, it was in the wrong key for her, it was the wrong kind of song for her, and it sounded like the two of them had maybe one runthrough together before the performance. ((((Vicci)))). Beverly didn't fare any better - she looked like she's never even heard the song before (I certainly hadn't), and at one point I was convinced she was about to blow the lines. On top of that, what a completely insipid song - c'mon Voice - that's the kind of song Blake gave Xenia to sing so she could tell us to point to the left. ((((Beverly)))) I agree with whoever said upthread that if OneRepublic was Adam's connection, his singer should have endured the duet.

I have been a hardcore fan of Stevie Nicks since I was 12 years old. I ADORE Stevie Nicks. "Landslide" is not my favorite of hers but I get why people love it. That said ... Javier totally carried that performance. A lot of singers speed up their performances of iconic songs when they get older (I always think it's because they've sung them so many thousands of times there's nothing left to the song to them any more), but Stevie was trying to slow that down to a dirge. The "personal connection" between them was Javier trying to see if he was allowed to sing the next line yet :lol: But really - after the first 2 duets this was bloody brilliant.

I don't know what y'all were smokin who said Dia and Miranda's voices didn't fit well together. I thought that was an amazing performance. At times I couldn't tell whose voice was whose. Are the duets available on iTunes? Cause this one I will buy for sure.

I really thought Dia was going to win this. No matter - I think she's on her way and will end up having the most successful career of them all. Not to mention that I think Blake Shelton is going to legally adopt her in about 2 minutes.

...now off to let Vicci know I'm available to help her get through this......:grope:

Allskate
06-30-2011, 08:34 PM
I really thought Dia was going to win this. No matter - I think she's on her way and will end up having the most successful career of them all. Not to mention that I think Blake Shelton is going to legally adopt her in about 2 minutes.


:lol: He and Miranda are so huge in country music that I think they could pull in all sorts of favors to get talented people to work with Dia. Nashville is full of people who could do good things with Dia, even if it isn't country music. Plus, I think The Voice is going to feel like they have to get her signed given how close the result was and the fact that she won the download vote. A lot of people think that Dia would have won if not for Bieber asking his feverish fans to vote for Javier. (If even one percent of his followers did his bidding, that would have garnered one million online votes, which probably would have more than made up for that 2% difference).

ITA with you about Stevie. She was not only singing very slowly, but also was nasally. That was not a good way to promote her concerts and upcoming album.

Give Vicci my regards when you see her. ;) And tell her she rocks.

genevieve
06-30-2011, 10:29 PM
EW article on what worked and what didn't from this season - I mostly agree with the writer, although I think some things that 'didn't work' just need to be tweaked (except for the Twitter Twit, who just needs to GO), and in the 'did work' category I'd include 'no initial auditions' aka no William Hung types. Knowing there was at least one person who got in front of the judges (Lukas Rossi) and it didn't even air means that they edited it down to who really could make it to the battle rounds.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/06/30/the-voice-what-worked/

I'm amazed that all 4 judges will be coming back :eek: and :respec:

Aceon6
06-30-2011, 10:57 PM
I'm amazed that all 4 judges will be coming back :eek: and :respec:

I'd be very happy with that. They looked like they were having fun and still took the job seriously. It will be interesting to see if Cowell and company can do as well with the mentoring part of X Factor. Cee Lo, Xtina, Blake and Adam set a very high standard.

genevieve
06-30-2011, 11:10 PM
Is anyone planning to watch X Factor? I'm not.

rfisher
06-30-2011, 11:51 PM
There's an article on TV guide that says Mark Burnett took the 4 judges and Carson out drinking before they started filming. The agreement was that "none of us watch those reality shows and none of us need to do this, so let's make a reality show about real talent." I don't think they'll ever bring anybody on who can't sing since the judges won't waste their time.

Adam is also proud of himself for being a good coach. :lol: He didn't think he would be and is a little surprised at how involved he got in the process.

And they all drank a lot.

I might watch X factor unless it's on opposite the Sing Off. Ben Folds will beat out Simon anyday for me. Plus, I love the groups they have on the Sing Off which is another case of only showcasing people with real talent.

Cheylana
06-30-2011, 11:59 PM
Someone said Tues they thought Vicci and Bev may have split votes and I wonder if that's true.
I did suggest that, since they are both lesbians primarily performing rock music, though I also thought Vicci might split some votes with Javier since they are both Latino. On the other hand, maybe Javier benefited from being the only guy in the finals.

But I think the bigger issue is that Cee-Lo kinda cut Vicci's legs from under her last week when he said he hoped Nakia would advance and gave him a slighty higher score. I guess he was just calling it as he saw it, but it was kind of a momentum killer for Vicci's chances to win.

rfisher
07-01-2011, 01:26 AM
Really? I don't think being Lesbian or Latino had any impact at all. Nor did the fact Javier was male or Black. I don't think there was a Lesbian, Latino, Black, or male contingent power voting. Singing rock was probably the bigger factor. Javier and Dia are more mainstream and garnered more itune downloads and more online/phone votes. Nor have I heard anybody say they voted for X because their coach said anything. They've voted for the singer who sang the songs that fit their own musical preference.

Bev, Vicci and Nakia didn't make any attempt to deflect their sexuality, but they didn't make a big deal about it either. They were who they are just as the other contestants. Which makes The Voice the only reality series where the contestants have been free to be themselves on TV.

When only one person can win, others are going to not win. But, the general consensous I've read and heard people comment on is that all four were equally talented. They just performed different styles of music. Nobody was really a "loser".

PrincessLeppard
07-01-2011, 01:38 AM
Is anyone planning to watch X Factor? I'm not.

I'll see if I like anyone. Then I'll decide.

I only saw snippets of this show, but I hope one thing they fix next time is that, say, when they get to the final eight, they just kick off one at a time. I don't like that one person from each team gets auf'ed. If a mentor loses both remaining team members in two weeks, so be it. He or she should have chosen better.

genevieve
07-01-2011, 01:46 AM
But I think the bigger issue is that Cee-Lo kinda cut Vicci's legs from under her last week when he said he hoped Nakia would advance and gave him a slighty higher score. I guess he was just calling it as he saw it, but it was kind of a momentum killer for Vicci's chances to win.
I had fogotten that, but I do think that Cee-Lo's production style hurt her a bit. She's a singer/songwriter, and the production on her single is way overblown for her strengths. Even the evolution of her style during the time on the show...there's been no big makeover a la AI, but don't think I haven't noticed the eye shadow and the slight feminization over the weeks (I'm not talking about Love is a Battlefield, which was deliberately OTT)...well, on a show where they're allowed to really be themselves it might have been a miscalculation.

I expected that Cee-Lo, with his creativity and curiosity, would be the best mentor of the group, but I think his style is GO BIG, and that can overshadow the artist. Even though Battlefield was the performance I made sure to watch again yesterday morning before work, it was clearly Cee-Lo's spectacle and it didn't promote Vicci the way the other artists' duets did.

I didn't like Blake as a mentor during the battles or the first round - he made some way stinkeroo song choices - but he certainly ended up being a great mentor in the end to his final 2. And Xtina...she really surprised me with the way she really embraced singers who do not resemble her at all - literally and in singing style. I thought Adam started cocky and ended a little less cocky. Clearly he did a great job of getting fab talent on his team and now he's got bragging rights (so maybe he'll start off cocky again :lol: ). I think he knew where to gently push and when to step back with Javier.

I'm sad the show is over!

rfisher
07-01-2011, 01:53 AM
I'll see if I like anyone. Then I'll decide.

I only saw snippets of this show, but I hope one thing they fix next time is that, say, when they get to the final eight, they just kick off one at a time. I don't like that one person from each team gets auf'ed. If a mentor loses both remaining team members in two weeks, so be it. He or she should have chosen better.

I don't think that will happen. Part of the program is the coaches competing against each other as well as their singers competing. That would make it like AI and they don't want that to be the situation. I didn't have any problems with the format.

It will be interesting to see if the coaches change their strategies next season. I think they sort of played it by ear this time. I'm so glad all 4 have agreed to come back. The interaction between them was as entertaining as the singers.

Allskate
07-01-2011, 03:40 AM
I don't think that will happen. Part of the program is the coaches competing against each other as well as their singers competing. That would make it like AI and they don't want that to be the situation. I didn't have any problems with the format.

Yeah. I think they need to keep all the coaches in it to the end because of the coach rivalry aspect of the show. I do feel bad for the more talented ones that go earlier than they should. But, I think there has to be a way to kind of limit that. I still like the idea of each coach, after the battle rounds, being allowed to pick one of the singers that the other coaches cut. Then you could have Adam calling Blake a moron for cutting someone or Christina getting a singer that she lost out to Adam in the audition rounds. It would be fun and then a few of the ones who get booted too soon -- because of a bad song choice or bad matchup or just an off day -- will get to stay, but you'd still have the coach rivalry aspect.



It will be interesting to see if the coaches change their strategies next season. I think they sort of played it by ear this time. I'm so glad all 4 have agreed to come back. The interaction between them was as entertaining as the singers.

I think they're going to fight even harder to convince contestants to pick them as coaches! That worked for Adam with Javier. I also think that some of the coaches may be more willing to go out of their comfort zones, either with who they choose for their team, or in the song choices they make for their contestants.

Also, I suspect that they will bring in more of the coaches' friends and colleagues to help mentor the contestants; that will draw in fans of more artists.

reckless
07-01-2011, 04:56 AM
I think they should eliminate the battle rounds and do two more weeks as each team goes from from 4 to 2. I thought the battle rounds tended to favor one singer over another and hurt contestants if the judge picked a bad song. They could do one episode for each team -- four songs -- with two eliminations. They also could do longer episodes with eight songs (using two teams) in each week and eliminate only one team member at a time.

If they did the one team per week with two eliminations, I also would have one results show where all the eliminations are decided. That would avoid giving anyone more time to prepare for the semifinals. Even though the singers technically are competing against one another, the earlier performances do influence viewers so having extra weeks to prepare is an advantage.

skatesindreams
07-02-2011, 09:09 PM
Really? I don't think being Lesbian or Latino had any impact at all. Nor did the fact Javier was male or Black. I don't think there was a Lesbian, Latino, Black, or male contingent power voting. Singing rock was probably the bigger factor. Javier and Dia are more mainstream and garnered more itune downloads and more online/phone votes. Nor have I heard anybody say they voted for X because their coach said anything. They've voted for the singer who sang the songs that fit their own musical preference.

Bev, Vicci and Nakia didn't make any attempt to deflect their sexuality, but they didn't make a big deal about it either. They were who they are just as the other contestants. Which makes The Voice the only reality series where the contestants have been free to be themselves on TV.

When only one person can win, others are going to not win. But, the general consensous I've read and heard people comment on is that all four were equally talented. They just performed different styles of music. Nobody was really a "loser".

That's how I saw it, too.

michiruwater
07-02-2011, 10:41 PM
Um, I didn't realize that Dia was Dia Frampton of Meg & Dia. They've had several minor hits in the US but yet she was allowed to be on this show? I mean, I first heard both 'Monster' and 'Black Wedding' on the radio and then saw them on MTV back in the day.

Also, I freaking love Meg & Dia. If I'd been following more closely up until now :shuffle: I would have been fangirling it up. Fail.