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Sylvia
10-15-2011, 06:21 PM
Keegan Messing's Senior B is the Cup of Nice in France (same week as Skate Canada).

I assume Messing was in the running for the Skate America spot but perhaps his inconsistency in summer competitions (Liberty, Detroit, Golden West) was a factor? Messing did land a nice quad toe in his FS at Golden West and was 3rd in that portion (124.40 score) after Dornbush and Chan, and 2nd overall (188.97).

Douglas Razzano won the Glacier Falls club competition with higher scores but without attempting the quad toe (134.29 FS total, 199.25 in FS). He also won the silver medal at Finlandia Trophy (albeit with a lower score in a weaker field than both Nebelhorn and Ondrej Nepela).

Jeschke
10-15-2011, 08:27 PM
Keegan Messing's Senior B is the Cup of Nice in France (same week as Skate Canada).
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thanks sylvia; wherefrom do you know heīs competing at cup of nice? are there any entry lists? i search and search, and canīt find anything, even on the french federations website arenīt any informations.

Hedwig
10-15-2011, 08:30 PM
Here
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=80186

mgobluegirl
10-16-2011, 01:26 AM
I'm a little surprised Razzano got the nod for SA over Carriere.

jlai
10-16-2011, 01:36 AM
I'm a little surprised Razzano got the nod for SA over Carriere.

Carriere competed at the gp circuit for 2 years despite not competing at nationals so I'm not too :wuzrobbed: over his not getting a spot.

barbk
10-16-2011, 02:45 PM
Did Doug already meet the qualification standard for competing at 4CC or Worlds this year?

olympic
10-16-2011, 02:56 PM
I'm a little surprised Razzano got the nod for SA over Carriere.

Just my speculation but the USFSA may have looked at the fact Stephen skated at Nebelhorn and was just assigned to Ice Challenge 2 weeks after SA, but didn't compete at last year's Nats, while Doug only had Finlandia and was a top 10 finisher at Nats. Plus, he has also shown steady improvement over the past couple of years: Kind of a balancing act to give as many as possible in the deep men's field a shot.

Sylvia
10-16-2011, 03:00 PM
Did Doug already meet the qualification standard for competing at 4CC or Worlds this year?
Yes, Razzano did at Finlandia Trophy (eta: 31.60 TES in SP, 63.43 TES in FS).

I wish Keegan Messing, the highest finisher at 2011 Nationals (8th) without a GP assignment, had been given a Senior B opportunity that took place before Skate America.

ETA: I also think that Lysacek didn't do the other US men "on the GP bubble" any favors with his initial assignments to Skate America and TEB and, now, his late withdrawal from both.

jlai
10-16-2011, 03:26 PM
I wish Keegan Messing, the highest finisher at 2011 Nationals (8th) without a GP assignment, had been given a Senior B opportunity that took place before Skate America.

:( Poor Keegan has been waiting for his next break for quite some time. :wuzrobbed

kwanfan1818
10-16-2011, 06:10 PM
Razzano easily made the GP minimum of 168.60 at Finlandia with a score of 189.43. Technically, he didn't need to, because he was replacing an original host pick.


I wish Keegan Messing, the highest finisher at 2011 Nationals (8th) without a GP assignment, had been given a Senior B opportunity that took place before Skate America.
Plus, Messing was 35th on the SB list from World Juniors, with a SB well over the GP limit. He was 15 spots and almost ten points above Carriere's SB from last year, although Carriere's was at SA, an early season event.


ETA: I also think that Lysacek didn't do the other US men "on the GP bubble" any favors with his initial assignments to Skate America and TEB and, now, his late withdrawal from both.
ITA. I bet Lysacek's name and picture on the poster, especially with the event being held in southern California, sold some number of tickets that no other active US would have.

victoriaheidi
10-16-2011, 06:52 PM
ETA: I also think that Lysacek didn't do the other US men "on the GP bubble" any favors with his initial assignments to Skate America and TEB and, now, his late withdrawal from both.

I just can't figure out who truly believed that the OGM who hadn't competed since then would come back and try to overtake all the young talent. At a GP. MAYBE worlds or Sochi, but a GP?

kwanfan1818
10-16-2011, 06:59 PM
I just can't figure out who truly believed that the OGM who hadn't competed since then would come back and try to overtake all the young talent. At a GP. MAYBE worlds or Sochi, but a GP?

Some are locals on whom the organizing committee depend to fill up seats in the arena and might think Skate America is a bit like Stars on Ice. Others who took Lysacek's words about training every day to the best of his ability being what makes an Olympic experience, not just the Olympics, and not just winning the Olympics. They may have thought that he would show up for Skate America in his own backyard.

Sylvia
10-16-2011, 07:06 PM
I bet Lysacek's name and picture on the poster, especially with the event being held in southern California, sold some number of tickets that no other active US would have.
But probably not enough tickets sold if the local skating clubs are being offered last-minute ("buy 4 get 4 free") ticket deals...

kwanfan1818
10-16-2011, 08:12 PM
It might be "By four, get eight free" without him ;)

If he's not bringing in the ticket buyers, I'm not surprised USFS wouldn't give him the $$$ he wants.

nynyfee
10-16-2011, 08:25 PM
Skate Canada confirmed that Samson is competing this year, but apparently not on the Grand Prix, or she would have been in line to replace Laura Lepisto at TEB.

Se is recovering from an injury.