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haribobo
09-24-2011, 03:56 PM
2.3 Minimum Score for Grand Prix events

Each entrant to the Grand Prix six (6) events must meet the minimum score to be included in the entry or the alternate list.
For the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating season 2011/12, the minimum scores are:
Men 168,60
Ladies 117,48
Pairs 130,71
Ice Dance 111,15

Ziggy
09-24-2011, 07:06 PM
I am sure that if SC asked nicely, the ONM and/or FT organisers would agree to add him.

Pratfall
09-25-2011, 12:27 AM
:lol: Ask very nicely Skate Canada...could that really work ?

kwanfan1818
09-25-2011, 07:52 AM
Don't remember, but does Joelle Forte have a minimum qualifying score for SA based on Gardena Trophy already? Does her 122.74 at Nebelhorn qualify? (I don't remember the actual number for minimum scores)
She did, and got 125 there. She needed 117.48.

ivagall
09-25-2011, 09:14 AM
I am sure that if SC asked nicely, the ONM and/or FT organisers would agree to add him.
Apparently ONM is not taking any late entries, they already refused some people who sent applications after deadline since the roster is huge compared to last years. :cold:

toddlj
09-25-2011, 06:44 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/globetrotting/chi-lysacek-not-ready-to-commit-to-skate-america-20110923,0,3510665.column

So, it would appear that Lysacek might yet drop out of Skate America. When does he need to decide? I assume it would be soon.

Here's a question: Lysacek gets replaced by a USFSA host pick, right? If so, I'm guessing it will be Carriere, due to his recent Nebelhorn score.

kwanfan1818
09-25-2011, 06:50 PM
Ironically, Carriere doesn't need a minimum score to substitute at Skate America:

However, in case of withdrawal of such a domestic skater/couple, the Organizing member may replace their skaters by another substitute even if this one does not fulfil the criteria of the minimum score or the top 75 SB. (GP Announcement 2.2.d)

He'd only need one if he were an original pick or the first to replace a "TBD".

ETA: here's the detail from the announcement:

7.6


Skaters/couples, who place first in the following international competitions

• Nebelhorn Trophy 2011 – Oberstdorf
• Ondrej Nepela Memorial Trophy 2011 - Bratislava
• Finlandia Trophy 2011 – Vantaa
• Cup of Nice 2011 – Nice
• Ice Challenge 2011 – Graz
• NRW Ice Dance Trophy 2011 – Dortmund

and can prove to have skated the minimum total score as mentioned in paragraph 2.3, will be added to the
alternate list, bottom ranked according to their scores.

sandra_persch
09-25-2011, 06:52 PM
Ironically, Carriere doesn't need a minimum score to substitute at Skate America:

However, in case of withdrawal of suc

How does his score of 207.54 not meet the minimum criteria?

http://www.deu-event.de/results/Nebelhorn_2011/CAT001RS.HTM

I thought the rule changes meant that if he scores high enough at a Senior B he would be added to the list.

kwanfan1818
09-25-2011, 07:00 PM
His score does meet the minimum. However, only winners of fall Senior B's get added to the substitutes list, and he didn't win. I'm not at home and don't have the printout to see where he was on the SB list from last season, but if he was Top 75, he'd already be on the substitutes list.

To be an original host pick/to replace a TBD at SA, he'd have needed a minimum score and/or Top 75 last season, which he achieved at 2010 Skate America. However, as a substitute for a skater at SA, in this case, theoretically for Lysacek's spot, USFS can pick any Men's skater it wants.

euterpe
09-25-2011, 08:25 PM
Carriere's SB score from last year was 184.20 from Skate America 2010. He was #50 on the list.

mag
09-25-2011, 11:11 PM
His score does meet the minimum. However, only winners of fall Senior B's get added to the substitutes list, and he didn't win. I'm not at home and don't have the printout to see where he was on the SB list from last season, but if he was Top 75, he'd already be on the substitutes list.

To be an original host pick/to replace a TBD at SA, he'd have needed a minimum score and/or Top 75 last season, which he achieved at 2010 Skate America. However, as a substitute for a skater at SA, in this case, theoretically for Lysacek's spot, USFS can pick any Men's skater it wants.

So how does this apply to Balde in Canada. He was an original host pick was he not? So he needs to have the minimum score, but now that he doesn't have it he can be replaced by any Canadian man, even one without the minimum score. Surely I must be confused ... that just doesn't make sense. :confused:

kwanfan1818
09-26-2011, 09:00 AM
Yes, and while it might not make sense, that's the way section 2.2.d, which addresses host picks, is written. Skate Canada can pick any senior man with a pulse, as long as he doesn't already have two, didn't compete in JGP, isn't already assigned, and isn't Elladj Balde.

I suspect this was created for last -minute substitutions, where it might be hard to get travel and visas in order for an international skater.

I was wrong earlier: Skate Canada doesn't have to throw the spot to the alt list. (I mistakenly thought this only applied to split couples. )

Kind of defeats the purpose of "the best of the best", but I don't see why they didn't leave host picks alone.

Lara
09-26-2011, 04:31 PM
So Balde can't go, but he can be replaced with someone worse. :confused: ISU really needs to make some sense here.

Domshabfan
09-26-2011, 05:19 PM
So Balde can't go, but he can be replaced with someone worse. :confused: ISU really needs to make some sense here.

Or is it possible that someones else pulls out at the last moment and Balde can take that position.:shuffle:

HisWeirness
09-26-2011, 05:34 PM
So, if we are interpreting the GP rules correctly, Skate Canada could have just assigned Jeremy Ten to SC, then have him WD due to injury, and then sub in Balde.

The ISU should have just kept host picks open (no min) or allow one of the domestic host picks to not need to meet the GP minimums.