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arakwafan2006
06-22-2011, 03:34 PM
Hello,

I am sorry if this is the wrong thread but i was wondering if anyone had clips of Tim Goebel's 2006 nationals short and long. I believe that was the year he worked with Tatiana Tarasova. I loved the night on bald mountain free. It was actually his best in my mind.

Thanks

TheIronLady
06-22-2011, 03:40 PM
I love Tim Goebel as a person, but he was looking heavy that year.

Nan
06-22-2011, 04:12 PM
I love Tim Goebel as a person, but he was looking heavy that year.

So I guess that means you don't have any clips.

briancoogaert
06-22-2011, 04:29 PM
I love Tim Goebel as a person, but he was looking heavy that year.
And do you know him personnaly ? :cool:

genevieve
06-22-2011, 05:14 PM
I love Tim Goebel as a person, but he was looking heavy that year.
Classy

:blah:

TheIronLady
06-22-2011, 05:17 PM
I meant his skating looked heavy. I wasn't referring to his waistline. And yes I know him through my best friend.

Nan
06-22-2011, 07:14 PM
And yes I know him through my best friend.

So perhaps you CAN get a clip from him for arakwafan2006.

arakwafan2006
06-23-2011, 01:40 AM
So perhaps you CAN get a clip from him for arakwafan2006.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I still cant believe that his last year of skating is nowhere to be found on Youtube. AHHHHHHHHHH.

arakwafan2006
06-23-2011, 01:42 AM
I meant his skating looked heavy. I wasn't referring to his waistline. And yes I know him through my best friend.

I actually thought that tarasova lightened him up. Jazzy short and character themed long. Well, he was protraying a demon lol. Tarasova has dark tastes and i love it.

Did anyone else notice how both Tim and Evan copy Michelle Kwan to T? From her music choices, to her coach, Lori. Evan of course went couture/high fashion. Michelle might have left her mark on more men than women in the sport. Just an observation.

TheIronLady
06-23-2011, 03:26 AM
Did anyone else notice how both Tim and Evan copy Michelle Kwan to T? From her music choices, to her coach, Lori. Evan of course went couture/high fashion. Michelle might have left her mark on more men than women in the sport. Just an observation.

That is a great observation. It's funny but none of the American women look obviously influenced by her skating, but we know she inspired them. Tim and Evan do seem like they really emulated her in ways!

I feel, though I don't have real concrete detail to point to, Kwan had influence on the style of Arakawa and Suguri. The styles they developed are not so much reminiscent of prior Japanese skaters. Suguri seemed to want to capture something of Kwan or represent Kwanism. I think Salome is imprinted in some way in the style Arakawa tried to exhibit. I suspect Kwan influenced the Japanese ladies' basic ideas of presentation, particularly when they were first developing into a power.

pollyanna
06-23-2011, 03:51 AM
So I guess that means you don't have any clips.

I guess not. ;)

But someone else does......

Goebel 2006 SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKnFWOCBX3Y)

Goebel 2006 LP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb9C-AqmzZY)

steve skater
06-23-2011, 03:54 AM
Was gonna upload them, but looks like someone else already did!

Nan
06-23-2011, 04:45 AM
I guess not. ;)

But someone else does......

Goebel 2006 SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKnFWOCBX3Y)

Goebel 2006 LP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb9C-AqmzZY)

Very cool! :)

arakwafan2006
06-23-2011, 05:54 PM
I guess not. ;)

But someone else does......

Goebel 2006 SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKnFWOCBX3Y)

Goebel 2006 LP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb9C-AqmzZY)

i think i love you! WOW. Thanks for this so much. Tarasova really tried to give him a fresh look. I love that when tatiana choreographs for skaters, she really pushes them. The only thing is that it falls short at times (steps/energy) because from what i read, NO ONE trains your program like Tatiana. The skaters that she works with every day seem like they know their programs like the back of their hands. Timothy was a guy who dancing wise had two left feet. This program though even gave him energy though. Great work Tatiana. ( i was referencing the short.)

What killed Tim was the new scoring system, especially in the spins. The inside sit spin was not attractive. Of course, leaving Frank (who fired who?) was not a good move for him. The axel technique he learned was flawed but frank knew how to make it consistent. Audrey W. probably looked at changing it and that along with a whole new scoring system just was a little too much for an old school, olDER injured slater to do.

BTW, i do wish that Tim took a page from Kwan on his costuming. This thing he wore for the free skate looks dreadful. I could just imaging what Michael Kors and Nina Garcia would say.

Aussie Willy
06-23-2011, 11:22 PM
What killed Tim was the new scoring system, ....
Is he dead?

I think it was more that the 6.0 system gave him the benefit of the doubt with it's emphasis on the jumps. He was a stiff skater and compared to skaters like Lambiel, Weir and Buttle they showed up his lack of pliability and natural musicality.

That is not to say that I didn't like Tim as a skater. I really enjoyed his 2002 Olympics performances. But you do have to call it as you see it.