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jlai
06-18-2011, 08:04 PM
Exactly. Plenty of skaters have removed jumps from their repertoire, temporarily or permanently, because of injuries and still done pretty well for themselves. Kostner this year was a prime example. I'm also thinking of Surya Bonaly 1998 -- her results weren't what she or some fans hoped, but she was able to make a statement in the short programs at Euros and Olympics by using a 3T-3T combo in the absence of her lutz and flip.

But Flatt's jump layout in Russia didn't take her injury fully into account. She thought she could do a flip in the long--which she couldn't. ETA: During practice she was only doing the easier triples, so she should have stuck to those in the competition.
Had she altered her jump layout to do more sals, toes or loops, perhaps she would have earned enough points to avoid this "blame game". The crux of the matter is that I think she overestimated her injured self.

And, yes, the issue is her notifying the USFSA anyway.

Triple Butz
06-18-2011, 08:15 PM
But Flatt's jump layout in Russia didn't take her injury fully into account. She thought she could do a flip--which she couldn't. ETA: During practice she was only doing the easier triples, so she should have stuck to those in the competition.
Had she altered her jump layout to do more sals, toes or loops, perhaps she would have earned enough points to avoid this "blame game". The crux of the matter is that I think she overestimated her injured self.

And, yes, the issue is her notifying the USFSA anyway.

She did as many loops as she could do. I don't think a RF program with 2 loops, 2 (double)axels, a toe, and 2 sals would be strong enough for eighth place...She's just not Kostner in any way, shape, or form. Honestly, Rachael's biggest asset is that she has two lutzes and two flips in the program and does both on the correct edge. I give her props for that, but without those jumps she has NO advantages over the rest of the top ten.

TheIronLady
06-18-2011, 08:24 PM
Just curious, is there precedent for this in any other federations? I can't think of too many cases where high profile skaters were disciplined for any reason.

Did the Russian federation, for example, fine Butyrskaya when she unceremoniously withdrew from 2002 Worlds citing "physical and emotional exhaustion"? How about any other instances of skaters around the world getting reprimanded for misbehavior?

TheIronLady
06-18-2011, 08:26 PM
Well, Carolina Kostner couldn't do 3F or 3Lz during the GP season, and nobody suggested she shouldn't keep competing...

Speak for yourself. ;)

NMURA
06-18-2011, 09:19 PM
Flatt could do away with the 3Lz if she was the #1 European lady in Europe. I don't think Kostner could medal if it was in Tokyo as planned.

Triple Butz
06-18-2011, 09:38 PM
Flatt could do away with the 3Lz if she was the #1 European lady in Europe. I don't think Kostner could medal if it was in Tokyo as planned.

The technical specialist was Japanese and gave Kostner the benefit of the doubt in the sp. Kostner medaled because she put in a pretty good LP. I'm no fan, but based on the way the competition went down, she belonged on the podium. Besides, if they wanted to prop up a European undeservedly it would have been hometown girl, Leonova, not Kostner.

Eris
06-18-2011, 09:40 PM
Flatt could do away with the 3Lz if she was the #1 European lady in Europe. I don't think Kostner could medal if it was in Tokyo as planned.

Who would medal then?
Kostner medalled because she skated relatively clean long and she's an overall better skater than all the contenders for bronze (except Mao maybe, but Mao's jumps were off that time)

TheIronLady
06-18-2011, 09:58 PM
Kostner did do a great 3flip. She could maybe compete with Jill Trenary.

loulou
06-18-2011, 10:08 PM
If the risk Flatt and her team took had paid off, nobody would have considered any disciplinary action.

I have a feeling this is true. And it's the saddest thing of all.

A fish always stinks from the head down.
If federations are not doing what they should be doing, and if they are not doing what they're doing for the right reasons, then we shouldn't be so surprised about Tom Z. or Flatt.
They're just adapting.

kwanfan1818
06-19-2011, 02:48 AM
I think Lysacek's situation was different, in that there were TV reports that he was competing with a fractured pelvis in the season before or of the Torino Olympics very early in his international career, and he was not going to stop for surgery or rest. He'd already proven he could skate effectively with a serious injury, even if it sounded insane.

DickButtonFan
06-19-2011, 03:01 AM
I think the usfsa took this a little too far, there was no reason to publicly embarrass her. This could have been done privately or she could have been given a warning. Now when future employers look her name up they're going to see harsh words such as reprimanded and fined. It makes her look untrustworthy when I think Rachael didn't intentionally mean to hide this. She's so young give her a break.

Angela-Fan
06-19-2011, 03:02 AM
:cheer: DickButtonFan

victoriaheidi
06-19-2011, 03:12 AM
I think the usfsa took this a little too far, there was no reason to publicly embarrass her. This could have been done privately or she could have been given a warning. Now when future employers look her name up they're going to see harsh words such as reprimanded and fined. It makes her look untrustworthy when I think Rachael didn't intentionally mean to hide this. She's so young give her a break.

ITA. I didn't even think about the job angle. Imagine how that's going to look to her future Stanford classmates, or to any med schools she applies to (I know she's mentioned an interest in going pre-med), or to employers, or even future in-laws. It basically makes a [probably] sweet and respectable girl look like a liar. This should have happened behind closed doors.

I still think that Phil Hersh has some problem with Rachael Flatt for no particularly good reason. And I can't honestly tell you why IN needed to publish that. :rolleyes:

jlai
06-19-2011, 03:17 AM
I highly doubt a sports fine is going to affect Rachael's long-term career unless she's going to make a career in skating. :)

IceAlisa
06-19-2011, 03:20 AM
Rachael had some kind of promotional deal and other perks of being a US Champion so if the low point in her career is publicized, it's part of the deal of being famous. It works both ways.

Lots of applicants have to justify prior mistakes when they apply to professional schools. It's very common. Rachael's situation is no different. She has and no doubt will continue to accrue impressive accomplishments to overshadow this event. And no one could realistically expect USFSA to care about some future application.