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Jenna
06-15-2011, 10:46 PM
I think the root of Frank's ire is that he believes that injured athletes should not be competing. I agree with him.

ITA.

RFOS
06-15-2011, 10:47 PM
I think the root of Frank's ire is that he believes that injured athletes should not be competing. I agree with him.

Didn't Evan compete with a stress fracture while being coached by Frank?

ETA: Yes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Lysacek

It appears she was reprimanded not for competing with the injury but for failing to disclose the injury prior to compete according to the wording. Obviously, other skaters have competed with injuries, but they may have been known and/or reported to U.S. Figure Skating beforehand (in which case, what do they say?)

Also, I wonder if other skaters have been fined for not reporting injuries and we just didn't hear about it.

Cheylana
06-15-2011, 10:47 PM
Whoa! :eek:

wow!

So...is Flatt definitely not competing this season?
She might need to earn some prize money to pay the fine! :eek::eek::eek:

RD
06-15-2011, 10:50 PM
And to think some posters wanted to sweep this under the rug...

Hopefully it sends the message: Don't try to grit it out on your own. And for heaven's sake, don't try to hide it.

I'm glad the USFS is taking action, even if it had to be nudged by Phil Hersh to do so.

Jenna
06-15-2011, 10:50 PM
Didn't Evan compete with a stress fracture while being coached by Frank?

Yes, but it obviously didn't affect his performance ability as he won his first and only world title that year.

Mayra
06-15-2011, 10:51 PM
I imagine that the root of Frank's ire has nothing to do with Rachael. I'm willing to bet this is about some feud between Frank and Tom Z.



Frank Carroll coach of OGM Evan Lysacek, OSM's Michelle Kwan, Linda Fratianne, OBM Timothy Goebel, Christopher Bowman, Tiffany Chin etc ?

A feud based on what because it certainly isn't professional jealousy. :rofl:

On the other hand, there is something wrong when the PSA is nominating Tom Z for coach of the year and here we have Rachael Flatt being reprimanded and fined by the USFS. I realize they are not one and the same, but it's just off.

olifaunt
06-15-2011, 10:53 PM
Tom Z had two athletes competing with bad injuries at major competitions this season. I'm surprised they didn't start the investigation by looking at him.

IceJunkie
06-15-2011, 10:54 PM
I was NOT expecting this. I feel bad for Rachael, but I think it was wrong on many different levels of her and Tom decided not to back out of worlds.

dawnie
06-15-2011, 10:57 PM
I will be extremely shocked if Flatt continues to compete after this. USFSA is pretty much telling her "don't let the door hit you on the way out".

Debbie S
06-15-2011, 10:58 PM
I think Caroll has a legit gripe that when Rachael had a significant injury, Tom Z didn't do the same.I forgot about that. That's a good point.


It appears she was reprimanded not for competing with the injury but for failing to disclose the injury prior to compete according to the wording. Obviously, other skaters have competed with injuries, but they may have been known and/or reported to U.S. Figure Skating beforehand (in which case, what do they say?)Exactly. She may have still competed, and the result may have been the same, and frank would still be talking about it. I don't think Frank's response has to do with a (blanket) opinion that injured athletes shouldn't compete (b/c then Evan wouldn't have competed at '09 Worlds). This seems more personal than that, and it may be the issue Centerpt1 noted above.


A feud based on what because it certainly isn't professional jealousy. :rofl:These coaches travel on teams together and spend a lot of time together. Coaching is kind of like a fraternity/sorority anyway. There are plenty of things for coaches to feud/dislike each other about that have nothing to do with the medals their students have earned.

skatesindreams
06-15-2011, 10:59 PM
I believe that Rachael and her coach share responsibility.
They both knew that she was not fit/physically ready for competition; and concealed it,

I'm glad that Hersh persisted with follow-up, or we might never have known about this action.
I hope that there will be clearly defined policies and procedures in place to prevent similar situations in the future.

RD
06-15-2011, 11:03 PM
I hope we hear about what the "separate action" against Tom Z turns out to be.

Whatever it is, it should definitely be harsher than the action taken against Flatt. Honestly, I think the whole situation falls on Tom Z. HE was the one who made the decision to send her- and the one who is ultimately responsible for his skater.

YukiNieve
06-15-2011, 11:03 PM
Ok, what does "reprimand" here mean exactly?
She will be banned from competing for the next season?

genevieve
06-15-2011, 11:06 PM
Exactly. She may have still competed, and the result may have been the same, and frank would still be talking about it.
How do you know Frank would still be talking about it if Rachael's camp had reported her injury?

reese
06-15-2011, 11:07 PM
USFS not releasing how much they are fining Rachael is a bit odd. It could be something totally ceremonial like $100. It's not like Rachael is rolling in endorsement money or anything like that. This might have just been a gentle token gesture by USFS to get Phil off their backs.

Either way, I think it's an important step. This sends a huge message to other skaters down the road who might be in her position. She has every right to skate injured at Nationals, where she's only skating for herself, but with so much more than her own result at stake, her Worlds behavior was inexcusable.