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FSWer
06-14-2011, 03:28 PM
Say,I always thought a Death Spiral was a Death Spiral. As that's when the male spins the girl on her feet. Or what not.What makes an inside Death an inside Death?

Clarice
06-14-2011, 03:30 PM
It depends what edge the girl is on. She can be on a forward outside or inside edge, or a backward outside or inside edge.

Sylvia
06-14-2011, 03:31 PM
Death spirals are defined by the skate blade edge and direction of the female pair skater when she is circling around her male partner. So that means there are 4 possible death spirals: forward inside edge, back inside edge, back outside edge, and forward outside edge.

I would post youtube video examples but you can't watch youtube on your computer, right? :(

ETA: Some photos of the different death spirals can be viewed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_spiral_%28figure_skating%29
(try and picture the female circling her male partner in a counterclockwise direction on the ice)

sk8er1964
06-14-2011, 05:55 PM
When I (briefly) did adult pairs, I could do the forward inside, but the back outside scared me - yet I've heard other people say the back outside is easier. Then again, I'd rather do a flip than a toe loop any day, so there's no accounting for taste. :lol:

Anyway, back to the death spiral, you have to have the right amount of tension between the hands/arms of the couple. One time we didn't, and my partner let go and I slid almost all the way across the ice (long ways). It was kind of fun, actually. :P

The other thing is that I felt so low to the ice and like I was going into it so fast, but when I saw it on video, umm, not so much. Oh well, it wasn't a bad effort for people in their 40's. :)

Vash01
06-14-2011, 06:12 PM
Say,I always thought a Death Spiral was a Death Spiral. As that's when the male spins the girl on her feet. Or what not.What makes an inside Death an inside Death?

There are 4 types of death spirals- forward inside (the easiest, IMO), back inside, back outside, and forward outside (very rare, but I think S&Z had performed it long ago). From the name itself it's easy to identify the woman's edge (inside or outside) and the direction of her movement on the ice (forward or backward).

skatemommy
06-14-2011, 09:51 PM
The Protopopov's named them all...too tired right now to find a link.

Aussie Willy
06-14-2011, 10:45 PM
Death Spiral is the name of the move. Inside or outside refers to what edge it is done on. Forwards or backwards is the way the lady is facing when she does the death spiral.

Sylvia
06-14-2011, 10:46 PM
The Protopopov's named them all...too tired right now to find a link.
From the Wikipedia link I posted above:

History

The backward outside death spiral was invented in the early 1900s by Charlotte Oelschlagel, although it was first performed with the skaters holding both hands and the lady not fully lowered towards the ice. The current one-handed version was developed in the 1940s by the Canadian pair Suzanne Morrow and Wallace Diestelmeyer. The other death spiral variants were invented by Ludmila Belousova and Oleg Protopopov in the 1960s. They assigned the following names to them: Cosmic spiral (Backward Inside), Life spiral (Forward Inside), and Love spiral (Forward Outside).

Macassar88
06-15-2011, 04:56 PM
There are four types of death spiral that all depend on the direction she is spinning (forward and backward) and the edge she's using (inside and outside).
ISU rates the outside edge ones harder.

taf2002
06-15-2011, 06:51 PM
This is an interesting subject. I think the longer you watch skating, the more you focus on the edge of the blade. At least that was true for me. One easy way to tell outside from inside is that on inside, the lady's feet are neatly crossed. With the outside edge, her free leg is lifted.

skatemommy
06-15-2011, 07:13 PM
^actually, the free leg is not lifted in the FORWARD outside death spiral

^^thanks Sylvia as usual :)

julieann
06-15-2011, 07:15 PM
I would like to see more skaters try the FiDs, it must be very difficult needing strength and balance. I would like to see the free leg up vs. the way S/Z did it with the free leg bent and close to body.

FoDs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtnP1N2mjAs&feature=player_detailpage#t=147s)

DustPuppyOI
06-15-2011, 07:44 PM
This is an interesting subject. I think the longer you watch skating, the more you focus on the edge of the blade. At least that was true for me. One easy way to tell outside from inside is that on inside, the lady's feet are neatly crossed. With the outside edge, her free leg is lifted.


^actually, the free leg is not lifted in the FORWARD outside death spiral

^^thanks Sylvia as usual :)
Early Shen & Zhao (1998!) had the free leg up on the forward outside spiral: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi6DnkGxnqM

Brasseur & Eisler had a non lifted leg version back in 1993: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWhLmuhfgGU

(Clearly I haven't been watching much of pairs lately :slinkaway)

gkelly
06-15-2011, 07:58 PM
I would like to see more skaters try the FiDs,

You mean FoDs?


it must be very difficult needing strength and balance. I would like to see the free leg up vs. the way S/Z did it with the free leg bent and close to body.

FoDs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtnP1N2mjAs&feature=player_detailpage#t=147s)

Well, they used to do it with the free leg straight, before it was a feature to bend it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi6DnkGxnqM

julieann
06-15-2011, 08:19 PM
You mean FoDs?

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FoDs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtnP1N2mjAs&feature=player_detailpage#t=147s)

Well, they used to do it with the free leg straight, before it was a feature to bend it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi6DnkGxnqM[/QUOTE]

Yes, your right...too many acronyms :shuffle:

I like variations but the bent leg looks like if she fell she really could have cut herself. I like the straight leg one, thanks for finding it.