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ItalianFan
06-02-2011, 11:00 PM
Hmmm I am pretty sure that quite a few months after the Olympics there was an article still going on about how he thinks he should have got the gold that was also discussed here. But maybe I am wrong. :D

Come on guys let's face it, Plushenko was robbed in the Olympics sp. He should have had 3/4 points more. Lysacek won after skating "the best skate of his life" in fs and he beat Plu by barely 1,3 points when Plushenko skated probably the worst performance in his life. Lysacek was NOT penalized for a wrong edge takeoff in the triple lutz and an under rotated axel while Evgheny was penalized for everything. The idea that Lysacek was technically better is ridiculous. As one journalist wrote "If you can't fly, then crawl prettily". The move Plushenko made to land his skewed axel was something that proved his ability, who else could have possibly landed that jump???
Next season is going to be much more interesting if he's around!

rfisher
06-02-2011, 11:01 PM
Hmmm I am pretty sure that quite a few months after the Olympics there was an article still going on about how he thinks he should have got the gold that was also discussed here. But maybe I am wrong. :D

I take it you choose to ignore what Eislauffan posted? It boggles my mind why fans expect competitive athletes to be humble. I guess it's figure skating fans because other sports expect top athletes to trash talk and hone their competitive edge. Frankly, the sport would be more exciting if more athletes did rather then fans faking shock when they are candid. Which is odd, given some of the rather pointed and nasty things said by fans about skaters. Sort of a fake double standard.

overedge
06-02-2011, 11:01 PM
Plushenko heavily criticized the judges for marking him down in the short program, when he was the only skater to land a quadruple jump cleanly, and on Monday he reiterated his belief that Lysacek was not the "real" Olympic champion.

"Every single person, who understands figure skating and is unbiased, knows who the real champion was," he said on Monday.


Yes, Lambiel or Takahashi :P

julieann
06-02-2011, 11:07 PM
Plush wasn't just bitching in the heat of the moment after the competition; even a month later he was still bitching and moaning.

Ridiculous :lol:

It was just a blurb taken by a reporter less then a month after the largest sporting event on earth had just ended. It was a few sentences long hardly a dissertation. Give him a break.

ChelleC
06-03-2011, 12:39 AM
Come on guys let's face it, Plushenko was robbed in the Olympics sp. He should have had 3/4 points more.


I guess in your mind he should have scored 100 in the sp. :rolleyes:

kwanfan1818
06-03-2011, 12:47 AM
Someone made an interesting post on Opera-L today during a discussion of the merits of "Nixon in China"; the Met HD performance was recently broadcast on PBS:


Mr [A] and Mr [B] don't like Nixon in China, and they certainly
have a right to their opinions.

I don't like Cosi Fan Tutte, but I have never said it wasn't a good
opera just because I don't like it. Mr [A] and Mr [B] think
they are the only ones who know whether an opera is any good or not.

They think there is something wrong with anyone who disagrees. I
consider that stance to be more offensive and/or boring than any opera.

My not liking almost all of Plushenko's competitive skating doesn't say anything about how good he he is. (As a show/exhibition skater, I think he is one of the greatest.)

Aussie Willy
06-03-2011, 02:48 AM
I take it you choose to ignore what Eislauffan posted? It boggles my mind why fans expect competitive athletes to be humble. I guess it's figure skating fans because other sports expect top athletes to trash talk and hone their competitive edge. Frankly, the sport would be more exciting if more athletes did rather then fans faking shock when they are candid. Which is odd, given some of the rather pointed and nasty things said by fans about skaters. Sort of a fake double standard.
No I didn't ignore it. I just made a comment that it went on a bit longer than just a few minutes which someone claimed. However I am sure there was an article that was quite a few months after the Olympics that covered the same topic. But I could be wrong.

misskarne
06-03-2011, 05:10 AM
Mishin is even a professor. :-)

As for Evgeni Plushenko, I've interviewed him repeadetly, the last time this week (Monday, May 30) in St. Petersburg. This interview will be published later in IFS, so I will not post the transcript. But Evgeni said some interesting things.
- He is content with what he achieved in the 2009/10 season, no way he sees winning the silver at the Olympics as a failure. And he did not complain about judges or judging in the interview.
- He is optimistic for his reinstatement.
- He really wants to come back and he is working hard but he knows that he is not 18 anymore.
- He does have plans for a life after competing. :-)

Thankyou for this!

I especially love the part about silver at the Olympics not being a failure. European champion and silver at the Olympics after three years out and only nine months back! :lol: Imagine if he'd had twelve months!

It's good to hear about his future plans too :) I imagine they involve coaching?

Ozzisk8tr
06-03-2011, 06:06 AM
I take it you choose to ignore what Eislauffan posted? It boggles my mind why fans expect competitive athletes to be humble. I guess it's figure skating fans because other sports expect top athletes to trash talk and hone their competitive edge. Frankly, the sport would be more exciting if more athletes did rather then fans faking shock when they are candid. Which is odd, given some of the rather pointed and nasty things said by fans about skaters. Sort of a fake double standard.

I never heard Midori Ito complain when she didn't win when she clearly should have, nor Shen and Zhou. Humble skaters garner respect, those with big mouths attract the haterz. Look how much crap Chan got for opening his mouth about other skaters, Plush deserved the same disrespect. If he can skate clean with his elements and deserve to win that's great but if he bitches and moans about not winning with a bad/average skate... Also, having a few subcurves after landing a jump does not make a transition in my mind. Just my opinion of course.

julieann
06-03-2011, 06:27 AM
I never heard Midori Ito complain when she didn't win when she clearly should have, nor Shen and Zhou. Humble skaters garner respect, those with big mouths attract the haterz. Look how much crap Chan got for opening his mouth about other skaters, Plush deserved the same disrespect. If he can skate clean with his elements and deserve to win that's great but if he bitches and moans about not winning with a bad/average skate... Also, having a few subcurves after landing a jump does not make a transition in my mind. Just my opinion of course.

So let me get this straight...

YOU feel Midori Ito and S/Z had a right to complain about their loss but Plushenko didn't?

And because YOU didn't personally hear Midori Ito and S/Z complain about their loss, they were fine with it? So they are better than Plushenko?

I just want to make sure I am understanding....

Japanfan
06-03-2011, 07:41 AM
YOU feel Midori Ito and S/Z had a right to complain about their loss but Plushenko didn't?

And because YOU didn't personally hear Midori Ito and S/Z complain about their loss, they were fine with it? So they are better than Plushenko?

I just want to make sure I am understanding....

I think Ozzisk8tr's point was clear - that skaters who feel they were robbed but take the result with grace and humility (at least in public) engender more respect others who complain.

Plushenko's behaviour when he won the silver was the anti-thesis of grace and humility. He was rude and arrogant and it was unbecoming to him. I was a Plush fan back in the day and was thrilled when he came back for the OG. I was rooting for him to trump Lysacek, who I really don't care for, and disappointed when he didn't. Nonetheless, I had to concede that Lysacek won fair and square.

Ozzisk8tr
06-03-2011, 08:02 AM
So let me get this straight...

YOU feel Midori Ito and S/Z had a right to complain about their loss but Plushenko didn't?

And because YOU didn't personally hear Midori Ito and S/Z complain about their loss, they were fine with it? So they are better than Plushenko?

I just want to make sure I am understanding....

No not at all. What I'm saying is "in my opinion" Plush should have kept his mouth shut after not getting the gold, then the haters would not have anything to say. If he had been gracious in defeat he would have a lot more respect than what he has now. I'm definitely not saying anything like he is a bad skater or anything (although I much prefer a complete skater, like Chan), I just wish he had not carried on the way he did after not getting the gold. Plush made the mistake of saying all the negative things to the press. He could bitch and moan all he wants in the privacy of his living room, just don't bag other skaters, or their achievments to the press.

julieann
06-03-2011, 08:10 AM
I think Ozzisk8tr's point was clear - that skaters who feel they were robbed but take the result with grace and humility (at least in public) engender more respect others who complain.

Plushenko's behaviour when he won the silver was the anti-thesis of grace and humility. He was rude and arrogant and it was unbecoming to him. I was a Plush fan back in the day and was thrilled when he came back for the OG. I was rooting for him to trump Lysacek, who I really don't care for, and disappointed when he didn't. Nonetheless, I had to concede that Lysacek won fair and square.

They are athletes, not spokesmodels. I'm sorry you feel some athletes haven't been properly trained to keep their feeling in check after they have trained their whole lives for one monent that may have not worked out the way they have pictured it. He did act like a kind of a baby when Evan won, he didn't accept his medal, he thew it down on the ground, he cried during the national anthem and left before it was over....very disrepectful!

caseyedwards
06-03-2011, 08:52 AM
3 Olympic champions in a row had done quads so who would have given the attention to the fact that the current one didn't even try one and got as much attention? Stojko with his "night they killed figure skating" article? Doubtful. It was very important to point out the regression of mens skating. No triple axel triple toes because they were replaced by quads and then no quads or triple axel triple toes? Triple Lutz/triple toes and triple axel double toes? That was the new standard for jumps in mens in 2010? It will always have been right for him to speak out. And really brave to.

Vagabond
06-03-2011, 09:07 AM
In an interview shortly after the Olympics, Plushenko claimed that the results were "stamped in advance," i.e., pre-determined or fixed.

http://www.gzt.ru/topnews/sport/-evgenii-plyuschenko-ya-dlya-sudei-kak-kostj-v-/291103.html

Valentin Piseyev had similarly disturbing things to say at the time, namely:

After the IOC President, Jacques Rogge, made a speech that included negative comments about the Plushenko's marks for Skating Skills and Transitions at the 2006 Olympics, Piseyev "called Cinquanta and insisted that this DVD should not see the light of day."

In Vancouver, "after the short program, where three judges gave him [Plushenko] 5.00, 5.00 and 6.00 for transitions, I again contacted Cinquanta and asked what kind of mess this was."

Cinquanta "promised to investigate and clean up."

http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/372437&usg=ALkJrhjyfd2OcMnFhVP

:wideeyes:

Does anyone know what Cinquanta's side of the story is?