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skatesindreams
05-31-2011, 06:56 PM
^^^
Holley, :respec:

nubka
05-31-2011, 07:15 PM
Maybe this is the Rapture - just a little bit late. Afterall isn't the possibility of Plushy competing again a punishment for us all?

Nah, it's a reward for those of us who have good taste! :D :plush: :plush:

overedge
05-31-2011, 08:05 PM
IWhether you like his style or not, you've got to admire his drive.

No, you don't.

Wyliefan
05-31-2011, 08:38 PM
Maybe I'm being unfair -- okay, more than likely I'm being unfair -- but sometimes I get the impression that he thinks no one but himself should ever win Olympic gold.

judgejudy27
05-31-2011, 08:44 PM
I second the motion! He's certainly not technically inferior to Chan and is also more consistent whereas it seems to me that Chan has lots of ups and downs as far as falling etc. Age is against him but....what can it possiblly take for Plushenko to throw in the required transitions and difficult entrance/exits to jumps where he is already king??

LOL he was beaten in technical marks by LYSACEK in Vancouver. Of course he is technically inferior to Chan at this point his career, Chan is doing quads and triples much better than the ones Plushenko was doing in Vancouver, and his spins and footwork are at a whole other level at this point. And who cares about consistency since Chan could afford atleast 4 falls and still be able to beat Plushenko if Plushenko is at his Vancouver level (which he will probably be worse than as he continues to age on an already injured and battered body). Kozuka skating as he did in the Worlds LP would blow away Plushenko from Vancouver in atleast the LP phase as well. And for the record I dont even like Chan and do like Plushenko but he would be dumb to come back if the main reason he is coming back is to win. If he is coming back for other reasons then it isnt so bad, but somehow I doubt that given his reactions to not winning in Vancouver.

Beefcake
05-31-2011, 08:50 PM
I love the :drama: of that picture of him sitting all alone, contemplating...
:smokin:
Smoldering.
Brooding.
Sex on a stick.
:scream:

Frau Muller
05-31-2011, 09:09 PM
Now we know why those old Plushy banners were hanging at the Megasport Palace last month!

Related to this...

Actually, I even spotted some banners for Yags, Irina and other long-retireds. Is it a Russian thing to hang banners for long-retired skaters at ISU competitions? Next year, somebody please remind me to take my "Sonja Henie #1" banner to ISU events!

ItalianFan
05-31-2011, 10:39 PM
And who cares about consistency since Chan could afford atleast 4 falls and still be able to beat Plushenko if Plushenko is at his Vancouver level

<if this is true then something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark (GOE)!!!

but he would be dumb to come back if the main reason he is coming back is to win. If he is coming back for other reasons then it isnt so bad, but somehow I doubt that given his reactions to not winning in Vancouver.

What on earth would a competitive skater like Plushenko come back for if not to win???

I truly can't believe that he was beaten on technical marks by Lysacek...but then, the bias of judges is infinite....

Aussie Willy
05-31-2011, 11:38 PM
I second the motion! He's certainly not technically inferior to Chan and is also more consistent whereas it seems to me that Chan has lots of ups and downs as far as falling etc. Age is against him but....what can it possiblly take for Plushenko to throw in the required transitions and difficult entrance/exits to jumps where he is already king??
He is absolutely no match for Chan in the skating skills and transitions department. Not many skaters are.

MacMadame
05-31-2011, 11:58 PM
While the rules talk about reinstatement, that clause is in there for people to come back as judges and officials. There were several periods where former eligible skaters were allowed to apply for reinstatement to get their eligibility back to skate but those windows are now closed. I don't believe Plushenko has an option to apply for reinstatement at this point unless he wants to become a technical controller or something (which would be awesome in it's own way).

judgejudy27
06-01-2011, 02:12 AM
What on earth would a competitive skater like Plushenko come back for if not to win???

Actually I tend to agree with that, so in that case he shouldnt return at all since he cant even hope to compete with someone like Chan at this point of his career unless Chan skates half the program on his ass. And with his advancing age and the mens field regaining their quads and mojo he could get left in the dust completely. The only reason he was even a contender in Vancouver was he was the only guy who skated cleanly doing quads. His jumps werent even that strong anymore, most of them were crooked and eked out, but like a cat he always found a way to land them somehow. If more guys start doing quads as well (many are already doing them as we saw in Moscow), he will have nothing on the field anymore.

He wont ever become the Plushenko of 1999-2006 again, and the Plushenko of even 2010 for sure is not nearly good enough anymore, never mind an even older and more physically beat up one. He can make a nice life in show skating, or whatever else, he should stick to that now.

caseyedwards
06-01-2011, 04:38 AM
No one knows that more than him! He has said it himself! He doesn't care. He wants to compete. I am sure I can find stuff from 2009 to that effect. I probably read it here in FSU.

misskarne
06-01-2011, 05:39 AM
I remember watching Rudolph Nureyev dance over the years. He refused to quit when he was on top, and he just kept taking the stage long after his physical facility had left him.

No doubt Plushy is in good shape right now, but I do hope, for his sake as a great skater, that he will recognize when it is time to retire. If he's going to try to make it to Sochi-and maybe he can-good for him. But there's nothing sadder than watching a once-great talent implode in public.

Here's hoping it won't happen to him. But if he keeps trying to extend his career on and on and on, it will happen eventually.

Not being negative. Just realistic.


I don't think he'd carry on longer than he should. I think he's pretty switched on. He wants to win and be the best. Nothing wrong with that. And I think he's more than aware of the fact that when he starts not winning all the time, it's time to go. I don't think he'd carry on to Sochi if he couldn't win.

I think one telling marker will be Russian Nats. He's been untouchable there for so long. If he gets beaten there/is run close, that'll be a warning sign for him (although no doubt he'll be delighted that there are other Russian champions in the making!)



Why he didn't appeal the decision when it was made - what would be the grounds for the appeal? By appealing he would be actually saying that he is being punished unfairly, whereas I think he knows he is being punished fairly, so in my view he took the punishment, hoping that he will be later to reinstate the eligibility as some others have done in the past.

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Please go back and read my post on page 1. He did not appeal because a Court of Arbitration for Sport ruling is binding. He thought it better to let the ISU have their way than possibly antagonize them further by having CAS rule in his favour and forcing the ISU to let him compete. It was an extremely intelligent decision. He still thinks the punishment was unfair - I think the whole darned saga was unfair - but he knows that if he actually wants to win anything it's smarter to not step on too many toes.



Maybe I'm being unfair -- okay, more than likely I'm being unfair -- but sometimes I get the impression that he thinks no one but himself should ever win Olympic gold.

You're being very unfair. Nowadays he'll readily admit that Yagudin deserved the gold in SLC. (If it's taken him eight years to admit it - well, to be fair, he and Yagudin had such an intense rivalry that it's taken them eight years to start being nice to each other in the press again!) He really had no competition in Turin, except maybe Lambiel, but Lambiel's lack of 3A was always going to hurt him. I can understand his confusion/anger/hurt at the Vancouver result, but at no point did he say that Lysacek skated badly. In fact, he has said that Lysacek skated very well. He just thinks that the quad should have been worth more at the time.

Plushenko doesn't like losing - and what top-level sportsman does? But he can be satisfied if the person who beats him does it on skill, is truly better than him. I think I read somewhere that if he had to lose in Vancouver he'd have been happy for it to be to Takahashi, because he sees Takahashi as someone like himself - someone who enjoys going for the hard jumps, someone who likes to take risks with his programs.


While the rules talk about reinstatement, that clause is in there for people to come back as judges and officials. There were several periods where former eligible skaters were allowed to apply for reinstatement to get their eligibility back to skate but those windows are now closed. I don't believe Plushenko has an option to apply for reinstatement at this point unless he wants to become a technical controller or something (which would be awesome in it's own way).

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If the option wasn't there, WHY DID CINQUANTTA OFFER IT?!>?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?1??!

HE IS ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR REINSTATEMENT AS AN ELIGIBLE SKATER. HE WAS NEVER BANNED FOR LIFE. THESE TWO POINTS WERE MADE CLEAR BY THE ISU LONG AGO.

When will it get through some thick skulls?!?!?!?!

MacMadame
06-01-2011, 05:47 AM
When will it get through some thick skulls?!?!?!?!

I don't think I'm the one with a thick skull here. :rolleyes:

misskarne
06-01-2011, 05:59 AM
I don't think I'm the one with a thick skull here. :rolleyes:

Considering it has been expressly stated by the ISU, RFSF, Plushenko, Mishin, everyone under the freaking sun that he has the option of applying for reinstatement...

I believe my original point stands.