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VIETgrlTerifa
05-27-2011, 05:16 PM
Adele has the right to complain because she earned her money.

Don't most people earn their money? Anyway, everybody has the right to complain about taxes since everyone pays them, but people have the right to comment or respond to people's complaints as well.

Of course there are many examples of people abusing the system, but you get that with every system. Now, what you have to do is figure out what the percentage is of people abusing the system (in substantial amounts) vs. the benefits the system gives. Of course, I don't live in the UK so I don't know how valid her claims are about substandard public transport and educational systems (which is always much more difficult subject to take on and much deeper than private always being better).

Jot the Dot Dot
05-27-2011, 05:57 PM
Don't most people earn their money?

For the most part. Yet there is a huge swarm that feeds off the taxpaers, and I'm not talking about the truly poor or the civil service. I'm talking about pork-barrel spending, where the government usurps us the taxpayers in deciding which companies to keep afloat with grants, subsidies and bail-outs, money which would be better spent if it were left in the pockets of we-the-taxpaying-consumers. It is to that sector we have a legitimate beef with, rather than getting envious of a singer whose roads to riches come from selling CDs/DVDs and concert tickets that fans willingly buy by the millions. And yes, it was in poor taste for her to have made that comment about shooting people. Still doesn't discount the legitimacy of her complaint about taxes.

overedge
05-27-2011, 06:10 PM
I would guess that her not being able to use public transport has a lot more to do with her fame and her safety than it does with her tax dollars not being used appropriately to provide good transit service.

Besides, if public transport is funded, there will be less vehicle traffic on the roads and her limo can get to places quicker :P

floskate
05-27-2011, 06:31 PM
Public transport here in the UK is crap, there's no doubt about it. Educational standards are shocking - again no doubt. But they're crap for all of us, not just her. Where is her perspective? Has she forgotten so quickly what it's like to earn far less and yet pay extortionate amounts that leave you scrimping and scraping? Adele isn't exactly going to struggle to pay for her - numerous - pints of cider this summer, since that's what she wants to do. She should count herself lucky that she can afford to make her own choices when the majority of Brits cannot.

And let's just clarify; I for sure would go ballistic at a 4m tax bill but I would do it in private and NOT bleat to the press about it in a climate where most Brits would tell her where to go shove it!!

PDilemma
05-27-2011, 06:34 PM
Come to the American Midwest. Then you will complain much less about your public transportation in the UK.

Lara
05-27-2011, 06:40 PM
And let's just clarify; I for sure would go ballistic at a 4m tax bill but I would do it in private and NOT bleat to the press about it in a climate where most Brits would tell her where to go shove it!!

Agreed. Doesn't she have PR? They must be aghast. Like her music, but that's not smart (and makes me feel better about missing her Philly concert).

GarrAarghHrumph
05-27-2011, 06:41 PM
With never-ending benefits abuse scandals these days, I have to also side with her. Just last week my neighbor, who never worked in her life claiming disability, got under investigation for cheating on benefit claims as it turned out she was healthy enough for annual ski jumping in Alps. And don't let me start on some thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who come to UK just to claim benefits and do not work.

I know that the UK government has been talking about tightening up their benefits eligibility rules. Has any progress been made on that?

GarrAarghHrumph
05-27-2011, 06:44 PM
UK public transit is FABULOUS compared to that of most of the US. It's all relative.

millipied
05-27-2011, 06:47 PM
I know that the UK government has been talking about tightening up their benefits eligibility rules. Has any progress been made on that?

All the talk and not much done and I believe never will be.

millipied
05-27-2011, 06:49 PM
UK public transit is FABULOUS compared to that of most of the US. It's all relative.

We may be spoiled by American standards but just the other day I spent 30 min stuck between King's Cross and Camden in the ancient London tube:( So, NO.

hydro
05-27-2011, 06:57 PM
Well, she's not the first UK pop star or resident to complain about their high tax rates. The gun comment was in poor taste, however, she may not be as sensitive to gun culture as someone who lives in the US.

I still love her, though :)

Anita18
05-27-2011, 07:30 PM
I love it when people think they don't use their share of government services. It's always the "other people." And ugh at the "I don't use public transit" argument--what, roads were created by Jesus?
:rofl: They were provided by Mother Earth, appearing right out of the ground!

PrincessLeppard
05-27-2011, 08:07 PM
We may be spoiled by American standards but just the other day I spent 30 min stuck between King's Cross and Camden in the ancient London tube:( So, NO.

Sometimes I get stuck in traffic jams. I have also been stuck on assorted public transportation around the world. I'll take being stuck on public transport.

milanessa
05-27-2011, 08:24 PM
Sometimes I get stuck in traffic jams. I have also been stuck on assorted public transportation around the world. I'll take being stuck on public transport.

Me too. Someone else is doing the driving and I always have a book with me. ;)

Skittl1321
05-27-2011, 08:37 PM
Re the taxes then (although I think her comment was in poor taste), is 50% normal? I think we (US) max out at 35%, not really sure. But if that is normal for her tax bracket, then surely she saw it coming.

That's not necessarily true in the US. When I was a freelancer I paid about 50% (that included state income tax, which not all states have) . Self-employment taxes are very high because you have to pay both halves of Social Security and Medicare, stuff a company normally pays.