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BaileyCatts
07-09-2011, 12:32 AM
Have you forgotten that Celebrity Apprentice has recently featured such well regarded train wrecks as Jose Canseco and Rod Blagojevich? I really doubt Trump or his production team would have a problem with this guy. And it would get ratings.

Trump would have Casey Anthony herself if he was certain it would get ratings.

Okay, ya got me there. :D. I've never watched the Celebrity Apprentice shows (it was always opposite other things I watched, I just follow on the threads and entertainment news), but I consider those people different. They are celebrity trainwrecks in almost a humorous way, to the point where they are just jokes looking for publicity (to me anyway). I don't think there was as much true outright anger-filled hatred against the people that have been on that show as there is to the CA team (that I am remember hearing about anyway). But good point about Trump ... he WOULD do anything for ratings! :P I guess I take it all back. :shuffle:

BaileyCatts
07-09-2011, 12:34 AM
Morgan and Morgan will have the civil suit deposition with Casey on July 19, 2011 aired live on their site http://www.forthepeople.com

This is Zenaida Gonzalez's defamation lawsuit.

I know she was served with the papers in court. But what really does that mean? Can she just "not show up"? Can she refuse to answer questions? I don't know what the laws are about depositions so really curious if she can just refuse to show up and if she doesn't, what can be done?

nursebetty
07-09-2011, 12:38 AM
Count me in to the group that wants it all to go away. The day of the verdict and the next I was pi**ed, but now will be happy to never have to hear the words Anthony and Baez ever again.

GaPeach
07-09-2011, 12:40 AM
I know she was served with the papers in court. But what really does that mean? Can she just "not show up"? Can she refuse to answer questions? I don't know what the laws are about depositions so really curious if she can just refuse to show up and if she doesn't, what can be done?

My understanding from what I have read. if she do not attend the deposition, the party who arranged for that deposition can bring it before the court and sanctions can be imposed.

“She has two choices – answer or take the fifth,” Morgan said.

attyfan
07-09-2011, 01:01 AM
I know she was served with the papers in court. But what really does that mean? Can she just "not show up"? Can she refuse to answer questions? I don't know what the laws are about depositions so really curious if she can just refuse to show up and if she doesn't, what can be done?

Depending on state law, the other side may have to get an order compelling her to appear; if she again doesn't show, then not only monetary sanctions can be imposed, but also other sanctions ... like striking her answer (which will eventually result in a judgment against her that she can't fight). At a deposition, she will be put under oath, and, she has to answer the questions. If she lies, she can face perjury charges. Also, since she has been acquitted, she can't take the fifth if asked about Caylee's death.

Cyn
07-09-2011, 01:08 AM
I read a book not long ago called Child 44 that I think may have had a character based on the Russian killer. It was a novel set in 1950's Soviet Union.

Yup, you're absolutely correct. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_44)

What I just found out is that another Russian Serial Killer, Alexander Pichushkin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pichushkin) (aka The Chessboard Killer or The Bitsa Park Maniac), was found guilty of murdering 49 people, with his stated goal being to out-do the number of victims killed by Chikatilo :yikes: . He's in jail (as of 2006 when he was caught), but now that Russia has done away with Capital Punishment, this sick fcuk was sentenced to Life in Prison, with the first 15 years in Solitary Confinement.

BaileyCatts
07-09-2011, 01:47 AM
Depending on state law, the other side may have to get an order compelling her to appear; if she again doesn't show, then not only monetary sanctions can be imposed, but also other sanctions ... like striking her answer (which will eventually result in a judgment against her that she can't fight). At a deposition, she will be put under oath, and, she has to answer the questions. If she lies, she can face perjury charges. Also, since she has been acquitted, she can't take the fifth if asked about Caylee's death.

Thanks.

Just a general comment ... how can we believe anything that comes outta her mouth really. Even if she stood on the rooftops and screamed out "this is what really happened" knowing she could never be charged again .... was it?

I will always believe she killed that poor child. No way can I believe she just simply drowned in a pool and Casey thought it was better to duct tape her mouth, triple bag her, and throw her in a swamp, and just go on with her life like the child never exsisted because of a simple drowning, rather than scream at the top of her lungs "help me help me help me". Sad fact of life, but kids drown in pools every day. It happens. Just last month two kids in my city drowned in a backyard pool with a house full of people at home! And when someone found them what did they do?? Scream out help me help me help me! No one tries to cover that up to make it look like a murder.

PDilemma
07-09-2011, 01:55 AM
Okay, ya got me there. :D. I've never watched the Celebrity Apprentice shows (it was always opposite other things I watched, I just follow on the threads and entertainment news), but I consider those people different. They are celebrity trainwrecks in almost a humorous way, to the point where they are just jokes looking for publicity (to me anyway). I don't think there was as much true outright anger-filled hatred against the people that have been on that show as there is to the CA team (that I am remember hearing about anyway). But good point about Trump ... he WOULD do anything for ratings! :P I guess I take it all back. :shuffle:

Canseco is persona non gratis to the entire baseball world and many fans; there's a lot of anger towards him. And Blagojevich is going to jail. The show also had Richard Hatch who couldn't make the finale this season because he was in jail and a Kardashian who had to leave for a drunken driving charge or some such thing a season ago or so. My guess is that the first two were invited because controversy brings ratings. And this guy would be a great opportunity for the same if they were to get him soon enough.

milanessa
07-09-2011, 02:24 AM
Casey refuses to see her mother.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/08/florida.casey.anthony/index.html?iref=NS1

AxelAnnie
07-09-2011, 02:28 AM
Casey refuses to see her mother.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/08/florida.casey.anthony/index.html?iref=NS1

We shall have to see on this.

A. I can't believe Cindy wants to see Casey.
B. I can understand Casey's refusal because any visit would be videotaped and then made public.

But...really? REALLY? All the havoc Casey has caused and she can't see her mother.........who has done so very much for her? Just more of the same tune.
:yikes:

Salome
07-09-2011, 03:00 AM
Sad fact of life, but kids drown in pools every day. It happens. Just last month two kids in my city drowned in a backyard pool with a house full of people at home! And when someone found them what did they do?? Scream out help me help me help me! No one tries to cover that up to make it look like a murder. Anytime there is a drowning or near drowning of a child, there will be a police investigation. Always. If a child dies in a pool, it's very rare for someone not to be charged in connection to that. Since pools are supposed to be secured, a child's death is evidence of both neglect and reckless child endangerment or manslaughter. The issue becomes not if someone will be charged, but who and with what. Any police officer would know this.

zippy
07-09-2011, 03:21 AM
I don't think they did, personally. There is no evidence on the body of being chloroformed and what was found in the car trunk has alternate explanations. They didn't find chloroform residue but a chemical that chloroform can break down into but can be present from other causes.

There is really almost no evidence she was in the trunk, in fact. It smelled bad but lots of things smell bad without there being a dead body involved. If there were gasses there that a dead body would give off or bugs that like to eat dead bodies that would be telling. It would prove that a dead body was in there and you'd have a hard time saying "well, it was some other dead body."

No, they did find chloroform itself, in extremely high quantities (parts per million as opposed to parts per trillion that might normally be found in environmental samples, including those in very similar conditions). That's what prompted law enforcement to check out computer records for chloroform searches in the first place. I know there was some testimony about butyric acid being found, which is a chemical that can result from human decomposition, but could also have other explanations for its presence - maybe you were thinking of that?

I remember there was some talk of the chloroform being attributable to cleaning products but it seemed rather farfetched due to the sheer amount of chloroform found, with no other shockingly high levels of chemicals found in household cleaning products. They had done a chromatogram that showed a breakdown of all the chemicals found in the trunk with their amounts relative to each other, and chloroform was through the roof with all other chemicals barely registering on the chart, a very unusual result. In hindsight it seems like it would have been a good idea to run an experiment where they pumped a car trunk full of chloroform and let it sit in the hot sun for a month, and doused another car trunk full of cleaning products and then compared the results, but who knows if something like that would have been feasible.

As for the evidence that a body was in the trunk, they actually did find exactly those things that you list - volatile fatty acids that are present with human decomposition, coffin flies and other bugs that are attracted to decaying tissue (sorry I know that's gross). As for the smell, the smell of death is really, really distinctive. So much so that it's impossible to confuse it with something else, to my nose at least. They had tons of people testify, from law enforcement to forensic scientists to Casey's own friends and family, that the smell was extremely strong/overpowering (I think I even read the car still smelled of it two years later, don't know if that's true though), and that they recognized it as the smell of decomp. Even Casey was texting a friend about a 'dead squirrel' being plastered to the frame of her car right before she abandoned it. Sorry, didn't mean to write such a macabre post :shuffle:

Anyway, I saw an interview with Casey's ex-fiance, and he was talking about what a broken individual she is. From what he said she was definitely verbally abused if not physically/sexually abused. I'm not one of these out-for-blood people or anything; I think life will be very difficult for her in or out of jail, even if she does make money from this (ugh).

my little pony
07-09-2011, 03:27 AM
Anyway, I saw an interview with Casey's ex-fiance, and he was talking about what a broken individual she is. From what he said she was definitely verbally abused if not physically/sexually abused..

he and his father certainly enjoy being on tv

on one hand, he says that her mom yelled at her for not supporting her child etc. honestly, i cant imagine not being yelled at if i didn't graduate, couldn't produce income from my fake job, stole from my family and basically emotionally blackmailed them into supporting my child.

then he says that casey borrowed money and then paid him with a check that bounced and that she lied to him about being the father of the baby. i can't imagine any mother not being completely frustrated and angry over how she was living her life.

Cheylana
07-09-2011, 03:37 AM
Maybe he's trying to paint a sympathic portion of Casey in hopes of getting in on her big payday?

taf2002
07-09-2011, 03:52 AM
In my mind there are only 2 scenerios where it makes sense that Casey didn't report her daughter missing: if she killed Caylee herself or else she was pimping her child & it went wrong. Chloroform is used in child porn. She may have let Caylee be "borrowed", maybe even with the stipulation of no penetration, & the chloroform killed her. (I say maybe she didn't want penetration because Cindy might have spotted signs of sexual abuse.)

I've seen other speculations that Casey may have pimped her child & if so, I think it will eventually come out. And that is not double jeopardy & there is no statute of limitations.

If it was a simple drowning in the family pool she took an awful chance in disposing of Caylee's body. Caylee could have been found sooner & drowning is easy to detect. They could also match the water in Caylee's lungs to the family pool. She was extremely lucky that Caylee wasn't found until she decomposed.