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danceronice
07-07-2011, 08:47 PM
When did she pimp her daughter? and considering toddlers and tiaras what would you consider pimping out your daughter?

:confused:

The implication is ACTUAL CHILD PORN. On Toddlers and Tiaras they take pictures clothed and there is no actual sex involved. "Pimping out" in this context would be "letting someone take sexual pictures/perform sexual acts upon the child for cash".

And weirdly, that is about the only scenario I have yet seen where an accidental death/Casey didn't do it but helped cover it up scenario makes a modicrum of sense. Normal people (relatively speaking) might try to cover up a murder and make it look like an accident, or might try to make an embarrassing accident look less humiliating (like finding a relative dead as a result of auto-erotic asphyxiation), they don't try to make a blatant accident (ie small child drowns in a pool) look like first-degree murder. But if Casey was selling Caylee out for something nefarious like child porn and something happened there, I could see her panicking and trying to help hide the body even if she weren't responsible directly for the death.

Anita18--uh, the whole 'testing diatoms' things sounds...well, less usable in court than the fume-residue thing they used here. Has that been used in a real criminal case anywhere?

Marge_Simpson
07-07-2011, 08:47 PM
I read this when it was first published, it contains lots of information that was not brought out in trial:

http://www.amazon.com/Mommys-Little-Girl-Anthony-Daughter/dp/0312365144/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310067974&sr=8-1

FigureSpins
07-07-2011, 09:26 PM
Maybe she'll be arrested on new charges as soon as she steps outside the prison next week. Whatever it takes to keep her from cashing in on her notoriety.

my little pony
07-07-2011, 10:11 PM
I don't think so. She's been locked up for almost 3 years. If you grow 1/4" a hair a month, and no access to a beautician, it's no wonder her hair is long (and stringy).

she's afraid to let someone stand behind her with a pair of scissors

BaileyCatts
07-07-2011, 10:21 PM
Not that it really matters, but why is her hair that long anyway? If I was in jail and only got to take 1 or 2 showers a week, I sure would not keep my hair like that. I would never feel clean; I can't stand it when my hair isn't washed at minimum every other day. I know you can't just hand a pair of scissors to an inmate, but don't they have at least a barber or some way to get your hair cut in jail? Heavily supervised of course. Not saying they should have a beauty parlor, I'm talking straight up just cut your hair.

FiveRinger
07-07-2011, 10:22 PM
:rofl:You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to my little pony again

Seregil
07-07-2011, 10:47 PM
A daughter of a friend of mine is currently serving time in prison and she told me that her daughter's hair has gotten very long. She said something about it be difficult to get an appointment.

WindSpirit
07-07-2011, 11:17 PM
But Scott Peterson was a whole different case. He was cheating on her, so did he want to be married to her? Did he want to be a father? Doubtful. I didn't know cheating on someone is a proof that someone is a murderer. And for giving them death penalty. But at least you replied, so thank you for that. No other "circumstantial evidence is not enough" people did.

BTW, I've counted 5 people, I think, in this thread who agreed with the verdict in Casey's case and who admitted that they didn't follow the case close enough or knew a lot o about it (but would argue why the jury made the right decision nevertheless), but this takes the cake:


true true - but what annoys me is that the author got her facts wrong (not unusual, I realize); it was Casey's mother who looked up chloroform, she admitted it on the stand right towards the end. It annoys you that someone got the facts wrong? The facts? It was proven in court that she lied. There's been a gazillion mentions about in the media, too. You're missing a crucial piece of information but you're still smug enough to accuse other people of not getting their facts wrong.

BTW, Casey's defense claimed her father sexually abused her. Her father denied it on the stand. What does it mean? It means that one side is lying. Just because someone claims something in court it doesn't make it a fact.

MacMadame
07-08-2011, 12:07 AM
He's in court now talking about how the media has been disrespectful, doesn't care about anyone and how his own life has changed.
Well he's right about that.


But the thing is, I believe the state was able to show beyond reasonable doubt that Caylee had been chloroformed and that she had been in the trunk (the computer chloroform searches had taken place months earlier, so it's not possible that they occurred after Caylee was dead).
I don't think they did, personally. There is no evidence on the body of being chloroformed and what was found in the car trunk has alternate explanations. They didn't find chloroform residue but a chemical that chloroform can break down into but can be present from other causes.

There is really almost no evidence she was in the trunk, in fact. It smelled bad but lots of things smell bad without there being a dead body involved. If there were gasses there that a dead body would give off or bugs that like to eat dead bodies that would be telling. It would prove that a dead body was in there and you'd have a hard time saying "well, it was some other dead body."


I didn't know cheating on someone is a proof that someone is a murderer. And for giving them death penalty. But at least you replied, so thank you for that. No other "circumstantial evidence is not enough" people did.
I'm not really that familiar with the Scott Peterson case, making intelligent comment comparing the two hard. Plus, I am not a big fan of "if you think X then you can't think Y" arguments. So that is why I didn't reply.

But I'll play as much as I can... from what I do know of the Scott Peterson case, there was more evidence that tied him directly to the crime and that couldn't be explained away. I believe the ropes on the body came from *his* garage and not his parents, for example. Plus, his boat absolutely was taken out that day and was tied to the place it would have to be in in order for the body to be dumped where they thought it was dumped. On top of that, he had numerous conversations with others where he indicated he didn't like his wife and would like to get rid of her.

In short, he had all the elements that people are saying they wanted to see in this case but didn't.

As for the death penalty, I'm not a fan. It's more expensive than putting people in jail for life and I only think it's warranted in cases where there is a psychopath who is a serial killer as we can't cure that particular mental illness and serial killers will kill again. So I wouldn't be advocating it for Peterson if I'd been on that jury.

GaPeach
07-08-2011, 12:12 AM
Wow! Lighting struck a tree at the site of Caylee's remains today on the day when Casey's sentence was announced. The news said the very spot where Caylee's remains were found. Also, Casey got 1043 days for time served and little Caylee lived 1042 days.

skatingfan5
07-08-2011, 12:24 AM
Wow! Lighting struck a tree at the site of Caylee's remains today on the day when Casey's sentence was announced. The news said the very spot where Caylee's remains were found. I hope no one was hurt -- it bothered me to see people bringing their very small children there and saying how horrible it was that Caylee died so young (and at her mother's hands). Why would anyone think this was appropriate for their 4 or 5 year old to experience? I guess I must just not get it. :slinkaway

GaPeach
07-08-2011, 12:32 AM
I hope no one was hurt -- it bothered me to see people bringing their very small children there and saying how horrible it was that Caylee died so young (and at her mother's hands). Why would anyone think this was appropriate for their 4 or 5 year old to experience? I guess I must just not get it. :slinkaway

No one was hurt--there is a video of it. I watched the video, but there was very little about the lighting and mostly about the people gathering in the area. ITA about the children and gathering in front of the family home.

sliver98
07-08-2011, 12:45 AM
The judge giving her the max for those misdemeanors was bull, most people get no jail time at all, a white judge would have set her free on the spot now she has to wait six more days. By the way the media reaction has been atrocious since the verdict was read the state had zero evidence no on Casey, and the media still refuses to investigate and ask the hard questions about the child molester ex cop the real culprit.

julieann
07-08-2011, 12:45 AM
I didn't know cheating on someone is a proof that someone is a murderer.

I didn't say just because Scott Peterson had a girlfriend he murder his wife but it sure didn't make him look like husband/father of the year. The rest of the facts fell into place as the jurors saw fit.

Also, when one highly publicized murder trial is on TV all the time people try to compare one case with another like Susan Smith or Scott Peterson when the facts of the cases are decidedly different, with one exception...the defendant is the most hated person in America, until they forget about her and latch onto them next hated most person in America.

BaileyCatts
07-08-2011, 12:55 AM
Side comment, but would they please stop putting that friggin' Judge Seidlin on the talking heads shows. He sounds like a blabbering senile old man. He annoys the hell out of me.