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Lucy25
07-05-2011, 10:27 PM
One thing that has always bothered me is that although Casey has proclaimed her innocence (despite being the last to see Caylee, all the lies, etc) is that I have never heard her calling for help to find the real killer. Before they found Caylee's remains, I know she pretended to be searching for her, but has anyone heard her state need to find her daughter's murderer? Seems like that might have been mentioned at trial, too, where her lawyers could have commented that all this attention on Casey was taking away from finding out what really happened. I don't think there is a soul alive who does not think Casey is involved in Caylee's death, accidental or not. It is just horrible that there was not more evidence to directly prove it. I don't know how defense lawyers do it-having to defend guilty people. I would like to know how Casey's lawyers really feel about this verdict; they won the case, but that evil woman will go free.

How long before there is a report on TMZ that that porn company has offered Casey big bucks to star in a film.

VIETgrlTerifa
07-05-2011, 10:27 PM
Right, and none of us can say that we would've came up with a different verdict no matter how sure we are on a figure skating forum and in the court of public opinion.

snoopy
07-05-2011, 10:28 PM
Snoopy, for me they proved it. But, if I were on the jury, I don't know if I would fee the same. I am having an emotional reaction to the unfathomable vileness of, if not deliberately killing or accidentally killing your own child, but the callousness of doing nothing for a month. As much as I strongly believe Casey did kill the child, I don't think the prosecution proved anything other than the fact that Casey is a horrible mother and person.

I think the prosecution did themselves in with one sentence – the wrap-up saying Casey is a pathological liar. The only reasonable doubt would be if Casey could not psychologically help herself from lying about any topic at all, including the death of her own daughter. Otherwise, a reasonable person could conclude all her lying was for a cover-up because no normal innocent mother would do these things.

skatemommy
07-05-2011, 10:36 PM
HLN is reporting that the jury was tired and wanted to go home and that CSI have forever changed "evidence" and reasonable doubt.

VIETgrlTerifa
07-05-2011, 10:37 PM
I'm not surprised that's what they're reporting.

Lucy25
07-05-2011, 10:51 PM
And I think after this very sequestered jury gets home and learns about all the public anger at the verdict, we may never hear from them. If they had deliberated for longer than 10 hours, the "tired" excuse might be a bit more believable.

IceAlisa
07-05-2011, 10:54 PM
In law, just an alternative phrase to "beyond reasonable doubt", "certain, but not all 100%" - moralis certitude – moral certitude.

In Russian legal terms: достаточная моральная уверенность, моральная достоверность.

Yeah, well. Sounds awfully subjective. I am wondering what it means to be "morally certain".


I don't know the legal definition but when I took juror classes I was told that a moral certainty means that you truly believe the evidence points to no other probable truth then the guilt of the accused.
That's what I believe the evidence, albeit circumstantial pointed to, Casey's guilt. I see no other probable truth. I wonder what the jury thought.

OlieRow
07-05-2011, 10:57 PM
One thing that has always bothered me is that although Casey has proclaimed her innocence (despite being the last to see Caylee, all the lies, etc) is that I have never heard her calling for help to find the real killer. Before they found Caylee's remains, I know she pretended to be searching for her, but has anyone heard her state need to find her daughter's murderer? Seems like that might have been mentioned at trial, too, where her lawyers could have commented that all this attention on Casey was taking away from finding out what really happened. I don't think there is a soul alive who does not think Casey is involved in Caylee's death, accidental or not. It is just horrible that there was not more evidence to directly prove it. I don't know how defense lawyers do it-having to defend guilty people. I would like to know how Casey's lawyers really feel about this verdict; they won the case, but that evil woman will go free.

How long before there is a report on TMZ that that porn company has offered Casey big bucks to star in a film.


The defense theory was that her death was an accident so there wouldn't be any murderer wandering around to find.

cruisin
07-05-2011, 11:00 PM
Yeah, well. Sounds awfully subjective. I am wondering what it means to be "morally certain".

For me, it would mean: Could I live with the decision I made. Am I so sure that the person did it that I would feel morally content sending them to jail/death row. Or, the reverse, would I feel morally content letting them go. I think this was a very difficult case for a jury. For two reasons, a lack of concrete evidence and the fat that it was so emotional. It would be hard to separate the emotional reaction and anger to a murdered child from a non biased judgement. Like, could I be sure that I was deciding based on evidence or my wanting someone punished. You would have to be morally certain your decision was not personal.

soxxy
07-05-2011, 11:01 PM
Prosecutor Jeff Ashton is retiring:

http://thefloridanewsjournal.com/2011/07/05/state-prosecutor-jeff-ashton-to-retire-most-known-for-the-casey-anthony-murder-case/

ks777
07-05-2011, 11:01 PM
Is Casey Anthony doing the Dancing with the stars now?

PrincessLeppard
07-05-2011, 11:04 PM
There is nothing wrong with circumstantial evidence. If there is enough of it, it can prove a case.

FiveRinger
07-05-2011, 11:08 PM
And I think after this very sequestered jury gets home and learns about all the public anger at the verdict, we may never hear from them. If they had deliberated for longer than 10 hours, the "tired" excuse might be a bit more believable.

That's not fair. I believe that the jury is exhausted. These aren't legal experts and yet they've been subjected to all kinds of legalese and evidence for going on 6 weeks now. They are away from their loved ones, sequestered with 11 strangers living in a hotel with no outside contact (internet, tv, etc). And they deliberated during the holiday while the rest of the country was sucking on rib tip bones. I might have lasted a few days.

And after all of this, they made their decision with the evidence presented to them. Now they are going to be subjected to public outrage because they came to a different conclusion than we did? We were not presented with the same evidence as they were and it certainly wasn't under the same circumstances.

The only thing that I am shaking my head at is the fact that a party girl has managed to outsmart (whether on purpose or not is another topic) our criminal justice system. That should be the book that she writes. She lies and manipulates....has been perfecting her craft for her entire life. We already know how she "got away with murder."

Anita18
07-05-2011, 11:12 PM
Yeah, well. Sounds awfully subjective. I am wondering what it means to be "morally certain".
I believe that's a necessity. That's why we have a 12-person jury system instead of just a judge deciding which cases have reasonable doubt and which don't and convicting on that. After all, a judge would be more knowledgeable about what "reasonable doubt" was if it was actually based on something legal.

haribobo
07-05-2011, 11:15 PM
Is Casey Anthony doing the Dancing with the stars now?

:lol::rofl: