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PDilemma
07-20-2011, 08:10 PM
All of this assumes that partnerships should last, even if there are personal differences, and I disagree that USFS should behave as a marriage counselor or as a state demanding counseling before a divorce.

I think you misunderstood me. I don't think that USFSA should be a "marriage counselor" for pairs, either. What I was suggesting is that perhaps the pair coaches don't have the skills to manage issues that come up between skaters. That doesn't mean counseling. It simply means being an effective coach of a team and perhaps USFSA could help coaches with that challenge. Conflict is bound to happen between two people who work so constantly and closely together. Coaches are the ideal third party to mediate and keep issues from escalating. The other factor here is that the skaters are typically teens and young adults who do not always have the best inter-personal skills and when they reach the level of national champs have added pressures. It stands to reason that they may need some help navigating the relationship. Perhaps if coaches were encouraged to be attuned to that and to mediate, we'd see fewer pairs splitting at the top.

kwanfan1818
07-20-2011, 08:34 PM
. A skater like John has lost his Team A funding and has given up his guaranteed two GP assignments for a chance at one host pick.
If last year's rules hold, he'll be eligible to be on the GP alternate list based on his results with Yankowskas. (As would she, if she found a partner and was ready in time.)

feraina
07-20-2011, 08:42 PM
In a situation this tough, there is no one right way to handle it... But there do seem to be certain things that you just should not do.

And what are the things that D/C or their coach (or Caitlin) "just should not have done"? Or were you not referring to the specific people under discussion here?

Mayra
07-20-2011, 11:09 PM
OK, to play devil's advocate... having watching US pair teams team up, have success/have limited success/not have much success, break up, etc. over many years, I've come to the conclusion that the majority of pair skaters might be better off expecting to team up at the Senior level (if they make it that far), and should consider any and all experience gained at the Junior, Novice and lower levels as valuable training/practice/preparation/etc. for Senior. Perhaps splits would be then viewed as part of a "normal" process in pairs and therefore not necessarily a "bad thing." :P

You mean this isn't the pairs philosophy in the US already? IMO Most current pairs at the novice and junior level are created with this mindset. How many tweens don't you see paired up with 18-19 year old males with no hope of the partnership surviving past puberty(her) and certainly not developing into a viable senior team. I've always thought Dalilah's pairs program in Colorado was built on this mindset.*cough* Jessica Rose Paetsch/John Nuss, Brynn Carman/Chris Knierim *cough* Mind you she isn't the only one to do this, but certainly her pairs at the lower level seem built for the short term.

Lacey
07-20-2011, 11:16 PM
PPPPPPuuuuuulllllleeeeeeaaaaaasssssseeeeee, people, the last time I checked, this is a free country. Here in the USA, I can skate with whomever I wish, while conceding to the the residency and age restrictions already in place worldwide. But don't you dare tell me I can or cannot change partners.

If you are going to have rules for pairs skaters, then you will certainly need them for dance, and let's not let the singles skaters off the hook without some constraints of their own. We could start a new organization, the Skater Police, to enforce the rules, imagine the fun, better than being a Tech Specialist. NOT.

I will never forget the shock and awe when Michelle tested up to Senior when Frank was out of town. It was probably not a good move to throw in her coach's face, but it was her right, and it turned out ok.

feraina
07-20-2011, 11:24 PM
How long have Grafton/Duarte been with Sappenfield?

skatemommy
07-20-2011, 11:29 PM
Why isn't the Samuelson/Bates/Chock triangle being vilified as much as this one?

overedge
07-20-2011, 11:34 PM
Why isn't the Samuelson/Bates/Chock triangle being vilified as much as this one?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember any of them deciding to retire and then being coaxed out of retirement by being offered the opportunity to skate with their significant other.

And just to clarify, I'm not being sarcastic.

Mayra
07-20-2011, 11:42 PM
Why isn't the Samuelson/Bates/Chock triangle being vilified as much as this one?

S/B were a bit zzz and C/Z had ZERO chemistry(although they did try hard). Between the two of them, I can't be arsed to care. :P

Although I have to say I'd love to see Emily pair up with someone with a little more fire. She has tons of potential and really is a fab dancer. :shuffle:

JMO

PDilemma
07-20-2011, 11:46 PM
PPPPPPuuuuuulllllleeeeeeaaaaaasssssseeeeee, people, the last time I checked, this is a free country. Here in the USA, I can skate with whomever I wish, while conceding to the the residency and age restrictions already in place worldwide. But don't you dare tell me I can or cannot change partners.
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I wouldn't suggest that people be told they can never change partners. No one here really did suggest that. It has been suggested that perhaps it should be harder or have a consequence, but not that changes be banned.

What several of us are noting is that the current American game of musical pairs is not leading to success on the international level and is not likely to in the future. If the goal of USFSA is to have internationally competitive teams ("team" as in the skaters they take to competition, not as in individual pair teams), then finding ways to address the issue of pairs being the weakest link (in general, obviously Y/C finished better than any of the men this year) is not unreasonable. Providing more encouragement to stick it out and new supports to pairs and their coaches could be done without banning changes. And it may be past time for USFSA to look for some new and creative ways to do that.

skatemommy
07-20-2011, 11:54 PM
Although I have to say I'd love to see Emily pair up with someone with a little more fire. JMO

Let me get my fairy dust and create a dashing, dark haired, wild eyed, male Gold medalist in ice dancing that has his Gold Free dance and is a much better dancer and partner than Evan. and is American. Oh yea and has lots of money and doesn't mind if the public perceives he is gay. Any takers?

fluorescein
07-21-2011, 12:26 AM
Let me get my fairy dust and create a dashing, dark haired, wild eyed, male Gold medalist in ice dancing that has his Gold Free dance and is a much better dancer and partner than Evan. and is American. Oh yea and has lots of money and doesn't mind if the public perceives he is gay. Any takers?

Yeah, not likely. But I agree that Emily could be super hot, like nuclear meltdown hot, if she had the right choreo and a sexy skater boi.

yfbg722
07-21-2011, 12:37 AM
Let me get my fairy dust and create a dashing, dark haired, wild eyed, male Gold medalist in ice dancing that has his Gold Free dance and is a much better dancer and partner than Evan. and is American. Oh yea and has lots of money and doesn't mind if the public perceives he is gay. Any takers?

Whenever there is a post like this one, I wish FSU had a "like" button like Facebook!:lol:

Mayra
07-21-2011, 02:13 AM
Let me get my fairy dust and create a dashing, dark haired, wild eyed, male Gold medalist in ice dancing that has his Gold Free dance and is a much better dancer and partner than Evan. and is American. Oh yea and has lots of money and doesn't mind if the public perceives he is gay. Any takers?

While you are at it, find his male pairs counterpart for Caitlin Yankowskwas. :P

Cheylana
07-21-2011, 02:43 AM
PPPPPPuuuuuulllllleeeeeeaaaaaasssssseeeeee, people, the last time I checked, this is a free country. Here in the USA, I can skate with whomever I wish, while conceding to the the residency and age restrictions already in place worldwide. But don't you dare tell me I can or cannot change partners.
Word.

Why isn't the Samuelson/Bates/Chock triangle being vilified as much as this one?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember any of them deciding to retire and then being coaxed out of retirement by being offered the opportunity to skate with their significant other.
Well, Emily waited an entire season for Evan to recover from his injury, only to watch him switch partners as soon as he got back on the ice. So is one situation really "worse" than the other?

What several of us are noting is that the current American game of musical pairs is not leading to success on the international level and is not likely to in the future.
Understood but there are a bunch of other people in here whining and moaning and groaning because they think Caitlyn was "done wrong" (even though they have no idea what happened behind the scenes) and they'll never ever ever root for John and Caydee and they hope they come in last place at US Nationals.