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PDilemma
07-16-2011, 08:45 PM
I am going to start Shanghai Girls by Lisa Yee. I have a bit of an obsession with Shanghai--that would be my destination of choice in China. The French Concession ( http://po-ru.com/photos/shanghai-2/IMG_1967.JPG) looks eerily like my hometown (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3264/2502241087_50ff6c8106.jpg) in the old country.

Anyone know anything about this book/author?

A large portion of the book takes place in CA rather than Shanghai. It was not my favorite Lisa See book. Snow Flower and the Secret Fan is much more engaging.

BTW...did you post in the wrong thread? :D

IceAlisa
07-16-2011, 08:58 PM
A large portion of the book takes place in CA rather than Shanghai. It was not my favorite Lisa See book. Snow Flower and the Secret Fan is much more engaging.

BTW...did you post in the wrong thread? :D

Oops, I certainly did! :shuffle: But thanks for the review. :)

Sorry guys, back to your regularly scheduled royal discussion.

danceronice
07-16-2011, 11:23 PM
I think that is exactly what was happening. I recall reading something long ago where Charles himself said that the children were always instructed to not run to her or hug her or those sorts of things in public. That iconic footage of Diana kneeling down holding her arms out for young William and Harry was truly a change for the monarchy. And thank God for it.

See, I hate that. The only way I would have children is if I could be a Victorian mother and shuffle them off until they're old enough to do something interesting and behave themselves in the process. Seen but not heard and only seen when you can guarantee they won't be heard. If I have to destroy my body to produce them the least they can do is be quiet and behave.

And for an interesting take on royal relationships, I just read "Sex With Kings", about royal mistresses (the French in particular are quite :eek:.) The author also has probably the most sympathetic take on Camilla I've seen (and points out she's at once luckier than prior mistresses, but also in some ways much less lucky and with far less power gained from the position.) The book was written before Charles and Camilla married, though.

She's also deliciously nasty about Wallis Simpson, a figure I especially loathe. But you'll want to cry for some of the French mistresses (and some of the queens, too.) Very little about Henry VIII, but then she probably figured that's been done to death.

manleywoman
07-16-2011, 11:57 PM
There's not much to like about Wallis Simpson.

Fergus
07-17-2011, 01:04 AM
^ Who, according to rumor, picked up some funky tricks of the trade in a Shanghai brothel! :lol:

PDilemma
07-17-2011, 02:27 AM
There's not much to like about Wallis Simpson.

When I taught Brit Lit and had seniors pick a topic for research in British history, there was usually one girl in every class who wanted to research the whole Wallis Simpson fiasco and who saw it as a terribly romantic chapter in history. Research rarely changed their minds. :rolleyes:

Rex
07-17-2011, 03:14 AM
There's not much to like about Wallis Simpson.


^ Who, according to rumor, picked up some funky tricks of the trade in a Shanghai brothel! :lol:


When I taught Brit Lit and had seniors pick a topic for research in British history, there was usually one girl in every class who wanted to research the whole Wallis Simpson fiasco and who saw it as a terribly romantic chapter in history. Research rarely changed their minds. :rolleyes:
Madonna wanted to do a movie about her. I know that Jane Seymour did; I was disappointed in her, but she redeemed herself in my eyes with Enslavement: The Fanny Kemble Story and of course, War and Remembrance.

Fergus
07-17-2011, 04:54 AM
Miss Jane Seymour camping it up on the Queen Mary in Danielle Steel's "Crossings" = :swoon:

Fergus
07-17-2011, 05:10 PM
YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXzvMF7Dx6g) of the funeral of HI&RH Archduke Otto of Austria, Prince Royal of Hungary.

TM The King & Queen of Sweden in the front row.

Interesting ritual (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-BBgc_uBZQ) of entombment in the Imperial Crypt at the Capuchin Church, Vienna.

Here is an entire Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_and_funeral_of_Otto_von_Habsburg) devoted to HI&RH's death and funeral.

Fergus
07-17-2011, 06:23 PM
^ Here's video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smj4x4PaScQ) of the same ceremony (@ 1:25), this time for HIM The Empress-Queen Zita in 1989. (May I also say, that is a fierce title. :swoon: *Wurq*, YIM!)

According to Wikipedia:

In 1989, Otto's mother, Zita, was first introduced with all her titles, and the second time introduced as "Zita, Her Majesty the Empress and Queen".

ETA: The Wedding of Otto & Regina, 1951. (http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=33446) Obviously, Austrians like to walk alot on special occasions. :)

Fergus
07-18-2011, 04:47 PM
Zara and Mike turn down a 1/2 millions pounds from HELLO! for wedding pix. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2015308/Zara-Phillips-Mike-Tindalls-1-2m-royal-wedding-deal-Hello-vetoed-Palace.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)

nerdycool
07-18-2011, 04:58 PM
While I understand the reason why they had to turn it down, it would kind of suck to have the decision made for you. But that's royal life for ya.

Latte
07-19-2011, 12:22 AM
This is NOT true and is nothing but a myth that's grown legs so long, many think that it is. It is true that when Charles saw his Mother for the first time in months due to that very long Tour, he began to bow and then extend his hand, but the Queen said, "Oh no, not you Darling." and swept him into her arms for a long hug.

Not only have I read this in several books, but I've also seen it in more than a few documentaries over the years.

Now, if you want to talk about what appeared to be a cold parenting style, see : Harper, Steven. Prime Minister of Canada. Children's first day of school of Father's Mandate in Office.

For those interested up here in Canada, Maclean's has a special Royal Tour edition which is basically to mark the Tour even happening and prep for it. Also on Newsstands right now is Hello Canada's coverage of the Tour w/a gorgeous picture of William and Kate from Canada Day on the cover.

I'm sorry, but you are mistaken about the Queen and Charles.
There is a very famous news clip, which I have seen at least a dozen times of the Queen coming back from a tour and HM shaking hands with Charles and then ignoring him. He looked desperate from affection from his mother.

And Phillip was a bully. Not a family I would like to grow up in.

AragornElessar
07-21-2011, 06:06 AM
Thank you so much for educating and informing me of my false assumptions about this moment in time Latte. I guess I'll have to get busy writing all the authors of the books where I've read this to be so and tell them they have their facts wrong Not to mention the various companies who made the Documentaries I've seen where the Queen actually did hug Charles on this occasion. Odd that the BBC would be fooled by a mock up of this, but I guess no one's perfect.

Moving on...

I've been drooling over this website all evening...

Order of Splendor ~ Jewel Central (http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/p/jewel-central.html)

Just going through the page showing all of Grand Duchess Maria Teresa of Luxembourg's various Tiaras had me going Ooooh la la!!! She's got some beyond stunning pieces in her Collection.

Just finished going through the Royal Engagement Rings page and learned a few things I didn't know before. Such as that Queen Sonja gave Haakon her engagement ring when he was about to propose to Mette-Marit, so it was passed down to the next generation. I know some have a problem w/this happening, that is if the fuss about William giving Kate his Mother's engagement ring was anything to go by, but I think it's just a lovely sentiment. Especially in this case, as it was her then Future Mother in Law who gave Mette-Marit the ring. What a really wonderful way to welcome her to the Family.

I also did not know the Queen Mum's original engagement ring was a Sapphire and Diamond ring. It's not shown among those photos, but if you go down and read the various comments left, someone has mentioned it and the owner of the site/blog managed to find a link to a portrait picture of her, as HRH The Duchess of York, wearing it.

I was also reminded of how much I love Sophie's ring. You can't go wrong w/Diamonds and I love how the middle stone is flanked by Heart Shaped ones on either side. It really is such a pretty ring.

I also saw this earlier today...

The Royal Correspondent ~ The Palais Princier de Monaco is Tired of the Continuous Rumors About T.S.H.s Princess Charlene and Prince Albert II of Monaco (http://royalcorrespondent.com/2011/07/19/the-palais-princier-de-monaco-is-tired-of-the-continuous-rumors-about-t-s-h-s-princess-charlene-and-prince-albert-ii-of-monaco/)

And on it goes...

Bailey_
07-21-2011, 02:08 PM
I haven't seen this posted yet. If this is true, it's not much of a surprise. And, I think a loosing battle Charles...

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2011/07/16/18430196.html


While the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge wowed crowds and made international headlines as they toured Canada and made a quick stop in the U.S. earlier this month, sources say Prince Charles is not happy with the coverage.

The Sunday Mirror reports Charles is worried the media reports of his son and daughter-in-law, Will and Kate, will overshadow good work being done by other royals, such as himself.

Royal author Phil Dampier told the newspaper Charles likely feels "sidelined" by his son.

He said as soon as William got married, "People would be less interested in what (Charles) has to say on issues such as the environment and architecture if, on the same day, Kate is wearing a new dress."

The paper also reported there are concerns by government officials the young couple could also overshadow the Queen's Diamond Jubilee next year.

I read in one article that he was particularly unhappy because Will's tour received considerably more coverage than his most recent tour of Canada. Seems consistent with the reports that he was upset during his first tour with Diana when she received more attention than he did. Many were noticing the difference between Charles and Will when William appeared "delighted" by the attention Kate was receiving.