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kwanfan1818
10-06-2012, 10:12 AM
Whereas I didn't see anything insensitive about os168's post. The Japanese Federation expressed concerned about the safety of its skaters/delegation and took this into consideration in determining whether they would send them to Cup of China. os168 addressed the issue of attacking skaters as a protest in that context, as I read it.

Hedwig
10-06-2012, 10:16 AM
Well I didn't really. What does being a skater have to do whether or not you are attacked by an angry mob? I doubt they would care. And why is there a time and place for that anyway?

It really rubbed me the wrong way but I will let it rest now.

DELTA
10-06-2012, 04:52 PM
Here's a recent clip on Kanako. I features her new SP and LP. Could anyone translate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zDj-ARoBss

jlai
10-06-2012, 05:00 PM
Good luck to all Japanese skaters at Cup of China.

I echo your sentiments. :)

I hope all the skaters :kickass: and we'll see a great competition!

DELTA
10-07-2012, 07:03 PM
Here's a recent clip on Kanako. I features her new SP and LP. Could anyone translate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zDj-ARoBss

Found both of her programs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYtxQhBVAso

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7HcECSX2R4

Sylvia
10-07-2012, 07:13 PM
Thanks, DELTA! :) I'll go re-post Murakami's SP & FS videos from last week's Chubu Regionals in the Japan qualifying competitions thread I started in Kiss and Cry: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=85204

Marco
10-08-2012, 06:30 AM
Found both of her programs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYtxQhBVAso

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7HcECSX2R4

I guess they have given up working on her jump issues. The harder toe jumps are positively ugly and almost remind me of Yoshie Onda (except Onda seldom UR-ed her jumps).

Still, the programs look good.

icellist
10-08-2012, 07:26 AM
3-3s with loop at the end are extremely difficult to get ratified among seniors those days, I'm not surprised they are not exactly popular those days. I think we'll see more 3Lz-Ts, 3F-3Ts, etc., as the time goes on (some of the ladies who did 3T-3Ts lasts season are already doing them in practice and planning to put them in their programs this season).

Plus, 3Lz-3Lo wouldn't work too well for Miki in the SP. 3F is not her strong jump (after she fixed the edge it became somewhat unstable and frequent falls in practice aggravated her injuries), and she wouldn't be able to repeat 3L, so only acceptable choice left would be 3S (which she never did in the SP out of steps). 3Lz-3L + 3S = 15,3 BV, 3T-3T + 3Lz = 14,2. That's only 1,1 point of difference - and 3T-3T is likely to get up to +2 GoE if done well, while 3Lz-3L is likely to be downgraded again...

While I agree with your opinion that 3X-3T combos are easier and more common than the 3X-3L combos, I don't think that's the reason Miki left it out of her program. She's not the young girl she is anymore, and she doesn't want to end up like Tara Lipinski: hip injury and all. While I would love for Miki to have competed with a 4S + 3Lz-3L SP jumps, it's not very realistic.

Also, why can't Miki repeat the loop jump? It's done in combination. If Miki wanted, she can do a 3Lz-3L + 3L. Nothing in the rule stops her. I'm quite sure a skater can compete with a 3X-3T + 3T SP.

inskate
10-08-2012, 08:05 AM
While I agree with your opinion that 3X-3T combos are easier and more common than the 3X-3L combos, I don't think that's the reason Miki left it out of her program. She's not the young girl she is anymore, and she doesn't want to end up like Tara Lipinski: hip injury and all. While I would love for Miki to have competed with a 4S + 3Lz-3L SP jumps, it's not very realistic.

Well, the age certainly is a factor, but the fact is that the skaters keep doing risky things as long as they are rewarded for it. Miki might not do 4S anymore, but I saw her doing 3S-3L and 3Lz-3L-3L relatively recently.

It is nigh impossible for a senior lady with a mature body to get a 3-3L ratified those days, and even if they can do it (and keep doing it) in practice, they rarely attempt in in the competition.
Even if by some miracle they'd get some of their attempts ratified, there is the question of GoEs. Ice coverage is one of the bullet points for +GoE, and in my experience the judges go really crazy for jumps that just fly across the ice. Even perfectly rotated 3L combo doesn't cover as much ice as perfectly done 3T one, and in result it actually ends up scoring lower than 3T one.

If this was just the issue of physical condition, I think we'd see more men attempt 3-3L combos (and some of the skaters are capable of doing them in practice). :)

(Plus, a 4S, 3Lz-3L SP is unrealistic for the ladies for now simply because it isn't allowed. A triple out of steps is the required element. :cool: )



Also, why can't Miki repeat the loop jump? It's done in combination. If Miki wanted, she can do a 3Lz-3L + 3L. Nothing in the rule stops her. I'm quite sure a skater can compete with a 3X-3T + 3T SP.

Actually, she can't:

Solo jumps must be different from the jumps included in the combination.
The only way for a skater to repeat a jump in SP is to have the repeated jumps be a part of the same combination (3T-3T or 3L-3L). :)

rosewood
10-08-2012, 10:07 AM
Even if by some miracle they'd get some of their attempts ratified, there is the question of GoEs. Ice coverage is one of the bullet points for +GoE, and in my experience the judges go really crazy for jumps that just fly across the ice. Even perfectly rotated 3L combo doesn't cover as much ice as perfectly done 3T one, and in result it actually ends up scoring lower than 3T one.


I totally agree with you. And I hate this trend. Different kinds of jumps have their own different kinds of beauty.

zebobes
10-08-2012, 12:26 PM
So far as I remember, Kanako Murakami is the only skater I have seen so far to put all three jumping passes in the bonus section in the SP this season. I think it fits the program well though.

kwanfan1818
10-08-2012, 05:32 PM
Ice coverage is one of the bullet points for +GoE, and in my experience the judges go really crazy for jumps that just fly across the ice. Even perfectly rotated 3L combo doesn't cover as much ice as perfectly done 3T one, and in result it actually ends up scoring lower than 3T one.

That principle is not evenly applied, even by the same judges (when the protocols don't juggle the judge columns from skater to skater) who might give equal GOE to a second jump in combo that has height, but drops to a stop, or a 4T combo, in which GOE appears to be based on the quality of the 4T, as long as the 3T or 2T is done competently, or, most obviously, the number of three-jump combos that get +GOE with little or no flow out of the last jump, let alone the last two, as long as they're landed in a straight-ish line.

It's always a risk that the judges will judge GOE like you describe, but there's no guarantee.

chika3
12-18-2012, 07:59 AM
takahashi-tran pair split !? detail waiting...

[Kyodo Flash News]
http://www.47news.jp/news/flashnews/

chika3
12-18-2012, 08:09 AM
Maybe it's official. from JSF release
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/all/headlines/20121218-00000021-kyodo_sp-spo.html

ponta1
12-18-2012, 08:15 AM
Maybe it's official. from JSF release
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/all/headlines/20121218-00000021-kyodo_sp-spo.html

Oh no! :(