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jlai
05-15-2011, 05:18 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1380635/Poor-white-pupils-perform-worse-children-English-second-language.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

attyfan
05-15-2011, 05:20 AM
Is there a country in the world where the poorest children don't do worse than those who attend schools where "millions ... have been poured into education"?

FigureSpins
05-15-2011, 05:24 AM
Sounds like creative statistics more than valuable information.

If they were comparing white to ESL with all students being at the same level of financial disadvantage, it would be informative. If they just picked random facts, it's meaningless.

jlai
05-15-2011, 05:48 AM
Guess where I get this story from -- from a news bulletin from an international ESL organization.

Aceon6
05-15-2011, 12:53 PM
Even with questionable stats, this doesn't surprise me. The ESL population includes students of all abilities. Some of them have already mastered the material in their native languages and some have parents who are very supportive of education. I know the article references UK students, but in the US, the poor white population includes some of the most stubborn pockets of multi-generational poverty. Between genetics, lack of support of education, and lack of access to a world view, those students seem to be perpetually at the lowest end of the testing scale.

poths
05-15-2011, 01:15 PM
It's really very simple. If parent(s) are in anyway bothered to help with homework, send children to school regularly!! value education at all and positively reinforce good performance in any way, shape or form....the child will be fine.

Unfortunately, a lot of "poor pupils" or children from disadvantaged backgrounds come from homes where there are addiction and abuse problems. No matter how naturally talented or intelligent a child is, if their homelife is in turmoil, then their head space is a mess and the capacity for learning is minimised.

The answer can only be early intervention: Help at home, care units within school so homelife isn't as long, foster care....

There are just far too many children living with utterly negligent, incompetent and damaging parents.

EAL students find themselves in disadvantaged areas based upon pure economics. The fact that the parents have even ventured abroad shows a determination and willingness to give their child a better life. This determination is then reflected in their assistance with education and the respect they have for it. Also, a child learning multiple languages is using more of their brain anyway.