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hippychick
04-28-2012, 05:18 PM
If Takahasi/Tran can make it to the WORLD PODIUM without any sbs jumping consistency, I think USFS should put a lot more eggs in the Donlan/Speroff basket. If they don't at least get Skate America this year (yes, I know summer competitions matter), I'll be pissed.

I agree! If they don't get Skate America after their performance at Nationals this year it would be a real shame. I wonder if they could skate for another country? IMO if they need to get out internationally to really prove themselves.

haribobo
04-28-2012, 06:55 PM
From 2001-2012, the pairs pewter medalists at Nationals and the following fall's assignments

01- Kalesavich/Parchem- 2 GP events the next season
02- Inoue/Baldwin- 2 GP events the next season
03- Spielberg/Joeright- 2 GP events the next season
04- Don/Hunt- 2 GP events the next season
05- Scott/Dulebohn- split before the next season
06- Scott/Fein- split/retired before the next season
07- Evora/Ladwig- 1 GP and Nebelhorn
08- Vise/Trent- 2 GP events
09- Evora/Ladwig- 2 GP events
10- Castile/Okolski- retired before the next season
11- Marley/Brubaker- 1 GP event and Coupe de Nice

So I'd say the chances are pretty good for Donlan/Speroff to get at least 1 GP

Sylvia
04-28-2012, 07:08 PM
I personally would like to see Donlan/Speroff get an opportunity at Skate America, but keep in mind that USFS doesn't always go by Nationals placement order when it comes to making their Skate America host picks. For example, Armin Mahbanoozadeh (6th at 2011 Nationals) and Doug Razzano (10th) ended up at Skate America this season; Keegan Messing (8th) did not.


For that reason, it will be very interesting to watch the pairs events at the Summer comps (when is the 1st one, BTW???).

Some of the Broadmoor SC pair teams often will debut a short program at Broadmoor Open (June 20-23 this year), but the bigger name pairs usually will show up at Liberty (July 17-20, 2012) or Skate Detroit (July 24-28) before Indy Challenge (August 3-5).

hippychick
04-28-2012, 07:35 PM
since Donlan and Speroff do not have any international points to speak of if they do not go to Skate America, they will not go to a Senior Grand Prix at all. I am pretty sure the only way for them to get one would be for them to go to Skate America first.

aftershocks
04-28-2012, 07:48 PM
Lindsay is the 2010 junior ladies bronze medalist. She's a good jumper landing 3T, 3S, 3L, 2A-2A. That is great for pairs. http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2010/64740/results.html

But from the link, it looks like Lindsay came in 5th in the sp, and 4th in the fp. I don't see a link to overall results. Did someone ahead of her drop precipitously in the fp, allowing Lindsay to come in 3rd??

Sylvia
04-28-2012, 07:51 PM
But from the link, it looks like Lindsay came in 5th in the sp, and 4th in the fp. I don't see a link to overall results.
Click on the Junior Ladies link for the overall results: http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2010/64740/CAT005.html

IIRC, Davis' best/more consistent jumps are from edge takeoffs -- 2A, 3S, 3Lo.


since Donlan and Speroff fo not have any international points to speak of if they do not go to Skate America, they will not go to a Senior Grand Prix at all. I am pretty sure the only way for them to get one would be for them to go to Skate America first.
Correct, as a host pick. Their only international was 2 years ago at 2010 Nebelhorn Trophy (4th place).

Stephanie
04-28-2012, 07:55 PM
But from the link, it looks like Lindsay came in 5th in the sp, and 4th in the fp. I don't see a link to overall results. Did someone ahead of her drop precipitously in the fp, allowing Lindsay to come in 3rd??

Yes, that competition (especially the free skate) was a complete splatfest, aside from Zawadzki. Baga (2nd after the short) especially bombed the free skate. Nina Jiang also had a big move from 11th in the short to 3rd in a free (and this was with only two types of triples) and 5th overall. You can see the full rankings here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Figure_Skating_Championships

aftershocks
04-28-2012, 07:57 PM
^^ Thanks Stephanie for the link to overall results from Junior Ladies 2010 --


I believe that is correct. But she is certainly not as 'slight' as Amanda so it make take a bit of time to adjust. I admire the Florida (and Colorado, obviously) programs of training and I hope they are successful. Pairs should be very interesting this year with all these new partnerships. I am excited to see the new teams of O'shea/Kayne and Regan/Yanakowskas plus the improvement of Zhang/Bartholomey and Donlan/Speroff.

Definitely! But can we hope that these new pairings will form together decisively with full dedication, and with the willingness to overcome all challenges w/o giving up after a season or two for one reason or another? Might it be helpful if the upcoming Pairs Champs Camp recruited Tai, Randy and Mr. Nicks to give a seminar/ tips on How to Stay Together as a U.S. Pairs Team Through Thick and Thin?

Sylvia
04-28-2012, 07:59 PM
I don't think the only key to success for pairs is to "stay together through thick and thin." That's too simplistic.

aftershocks
04-28-2012, 08:17 PM
Yes, that proposed "seminar" title leaves a lot to be desired. :) Definitely it will take a lot more than just that, of course, especially in the completely different landscape that is figure skating today. Tai and Randy grew up in an era I suppose in which the spotlight and fan buzz (lack of Internet, etc) plus the structure and expectations/ pressures were all quite different than today. Still there is something indefinable that Tai, Randy and Mr. Nicks might be able to impart to these teams.

Thanks haribobo for your statistical rundown on GP assignments. And, thanks olympic, hippychick, and carriemarie for your interesting analyses.

BTW, Sylvia, can you provide an updated list of all the senior U.S. pairs teams? Thanks!

Sylvia
04-28-2012, 08:21 PM
BTW, Sylvia, can you provide an updated list of all the senior U.S. pairs teams? Thanks!
So far: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3557152&postcount=932

ETA: Kloe Bautista/Tyler Harris (12th in Sr Pairs at 2012 Nationals; official site link (http://kloeandtyler.com/Home_Page.html)) are now representing the Philippines; Rita Fehr/Peter Biver (13th) are still skating together as of now, at least in shows.

shan
04-28-2012, 08:21 PM
Yes, that proposed "seminar" title leaves a lot to be desired. :) Definitely it will take a lot more than just that, of course, especially in the completely different landscape that is figure skating today. Tai and Randy grew up in an era I suppose in which the spotlight and fan buzz (lack of Internet, etc) plus the structure and expectations/ pressures were all quite different than today. Still there is something indefinable that Tai, Randy and Mr. Nicks might be able to impart to these teams.

Thanks haribobo for your statistical rundown on GP assignments. And, thanks olympic, hippychick, and carriemarie for your interesting analyses.

BTW, Sylvia, can you provide an updated list of all the senior U.S. pairs teams? Thanks!

She did earlier in this thread.

http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3557152&postcount=932

aftershocks
04-28-2012, 08:32 PM
Okay, thanks Sylvia and shan...

carriemarie
04-29-2012, 02:38 AM
Good Analysis.

I would say that your opinion re D/C vs. Y/R is one of the first I've read on the Board. For all the dislike she gets, Caydee is a cat on the ice and it really helped them come together as a team in time for the season. Caitlin is beautiful to watch, but she is not quite as solid on jumps and throws (For the record, I still hope Y/R rock the coming season). Then again, if she is skating with someone she enjoys being with (like John does), then Y/R may do quite well. For that reason, it will be very interesting to watch the pairs events at the Summer comps (when is the 1st one, BTW???).

Everyone will have to watch out for M/B as they continue to improve and get comfortable with one another. They are also to be considered a new team and if they up the ante. They could be #1.

If D/S ever get their SBS jumps together, they will be a force to be reckoned with for #1 (I also hope they do that. It's their only glaring flaw).

Regarding D/L, I'll have to wait and see how they gel and how they are received by judges. Mark is trading in Amanda's polish (not saying Lindsay is not polished, just Amanda was more so) for Lindsay's more consistent jumping ability. What will get more points?

*Sigh* I don't know about C/S. Time is ticking away on this partnership. He just can't jump to save his life, and they insist on that darn throw 3x! His problem with the jumps is chronic and who knows if it can be fixed.

Re: C/S-I would pull the triple axel for now and get more consistent on the sbs and perform throws they can do everytime. I think it will build their confidence and help them put together a breakthrough performance. They don't need a throw 3xl at Nationals to pull to the podium. They have lovely moves and great lifts. Have a year of decent Gp placements and a good Nationals placement and throw it in for Sochi. JMO, of course.

carriemarie
04-29-2012, 02:48 AM
Click on the Junior Ladies link for the overall results: http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2010/64740/CAT005.html

IIRC, Davis' best/more consistent jumps are from edge takeoffs -- 2A, 3S, 3Lo.


Correct, as a host pick. Their only international was 2 years ago at 2010 Nebelhorn Trophy (4th place).

If I am getting this correctly, D/S will get the host pick and M/B and C/D being the other choices? Or would they spread the wealth with C/S getting SA. What pair teams are currently eligible for GP's? Depending on Summer comps isn't there a chance that Z/B, who have moved up in the rankings due to breakups, L/D, or R/Y could get the host pick? I would assume Z/B would get Nebelhorn, but maybe D/S would to get more points? I mean forgive me, as I don't follow GP points standing very well, but wouldn't Denney and Frazier be eligible for a SGP, as well?