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chachacha
12-13-2011, 12:18 AM
ISU disagrees with you as they knocked those teams out of the top 24 with their scores for the Grand Prix's next season.

You are entitled to your opinion just like I am entitled to mine. No need to get so defensive and next season, when Simpson/Blackmer are in Senior and competing as Seniors we can pick this topic up again. But no point in further discussion on this topic.

outsideedge22
12-13-2011, 01:24 AM
You are entitled to your opinion just like I am entitled to mine. No need to get so defensive and next season, when Simpson/Blackmer are in Senior and competing as Seniors we can pick this topic up again. But no point in further discussion on this topic.

Assuming they go to Senior. I think they still age eligible next season. Like the Chinese, they will be able to do both senior and junior Grand Prix events and Worlds.

haribobo
12-13-2011, 02:03 AM
Assuming they go to Senior. I think they still age eligible next season. Like the Chinese, they will be able to do both senior and junior Grand Prix events and Worlds.

Simpson/Blackmer have, I think, 1 more Junior eligible season. But they will almost definitely go senior nationally and IMO will likely go senior internationally as well, seeing as they have an automatic opening to the senior GP as JGPF medalists. If they stay junior another year and don't medal at JGPF or Jr. Worlds next season, they could end up being a little screwed out of any GP assignments the following season depending on how Nationals and their JGP events go.

No US pairs ever get assigned to both senior and junior GP events- Russians and Chinese, yes, but not US- there are too many skaters to assign for us to be doubling up on assignments like that.

Pulaski73
12-13-2011, 02:04 AM
According to their Icenetwork bio, he turns 20 today. Which means they have one more year left of junior eligibility. They could theoretically do both.

sammyf
12-15-2011, 02:49 AM
No US pairs ever get assigned to both senior and junior GP events- Russians and Chinese, yes, but not US- there are too many skaters to assign for us to be doubling up on assignments like that.

There have been a few, I remember Moyle/Seitz 2 GP, 2 JGP and JGPF in 2006.

Sylvia
12-19-2011, 02:48 PM
US Pairs' Senior International total scores so far this season:
175.40 Denney/Coughlin - Skate America, 4th (162.73 Nebelhorn, 3rd; 163.75 NHK Trophy, 5th)
170.63 Evora/Ladwig - Cup of China, 4th (169.58 TEB, 4th)
159.09 Marley/Brubaker - Coupe de Nice, 3rd (144.80 Skate America, 7th)
155.42 Vise/Baldwin - Skate America, 6th (132.65 Nebelhorn, 7th)
154.00 Cain/Reagan - Coupe de Nice, 4th (138.02, Cup of Russia, 6th)
149.02 Castelli/Shnapir - NHK Trophy, 7th (147.97 Ondrej Nepela, 4th)
143.14 Poapst/Knierim - Ice Challenge, 1st

Senior Pairs' Domestic High Scores (Sectionals/Club competitions):
179.16 Denney/Coughlin (Indy Challenge)
152.73 Donlan/Speroff (Eastern Sectionals, 1st)
150.35 Castelli/Shnapir (Cranberry Open)
143.24 Poapst/Knierim (Indy Challenge)
137.62 Andrews/LeDuc (Indy Challenge)
137.44 Zhang/Bartholomay (Cranberry Open; 131.08 Easterns, 2nd)
124.67 Bautista/Harris (Easterns, 3rd)
110.80 Scimeca/Dimitrov (Easterns, 4th)
n/a Fehr/Biver

ISU Season Best Total Scores (excludes Sr B) / Seasons World Ranking (includes Sr B if top 5):
Denney/Coughlin 9 SB / 9 SWR
Evora/Ladwig 11 / 13
Vise/Baldwin 16 / 43
Castelli/Shnapir 20 / 27
Simpson/Blackmer (Jr) 23 / 15
Marley/Brubaker 25 / 24
Calalang/Sidhu (Jr) 28 / 29
Cain/Reagan 30 / 23
Duarte/Grafton (Jr) 40 / 39
Denney/Frazier (Jr) 41 / 40
Poapst/Knierim -- / 41
Aaron/Settlage (Jr) 44 / 53
Oltmanns/Santillan (Jr) 45 / 57

Caitlin Belt/Michael Johnson (103.53, 5th in Jr Pairs at Eastern Sectionals) will represent the USA at the inaugural Youth Olympic Games in January (USFS' official press release came out today (http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=47573&type=media)).

Rochelle
12-21-2011, 05:46 PM
Thank you for the updates, Sylvia! Much appreciated.

olympic
12-22-2011, 12:41 PM
I'm thinking that V/B could challenge M/B for 3d at Nats this year, perhaps get a trip to 4CC's. They are on an upward trajectory and they beat M/B at SA

~tapdancer~
12-22-2011, 02:09 PM
Yeah but M/B had a bad FS at SA.

DORISPULASKI
12-22-2011, 02:18 PM
And they could have a bad LP at nationals, too. And Marley still looks very, very young.

Pairs has become fairly wide open in the US in the last couple years, since the breakups of Denney & Barrett, Yankowskas & Coughlin, McLaughlin & Brubaker, and the retirement of Inoue & Baldwin. The last longer term team left is Evora & Ladwig.

olympic
12-22-2011, 05:54 PM
Yeah but M/B had a bad FS at SA.

True, and believe me, I prefer M/B. But it does add a 2d level of excitement for US pairs.

pinky166
12-22-2011, 11:20 PM
I hope Duarte/Grafton can put it together at nationals this season and earn a trip to JW, when they are on they are lovely with their long-limbed, elegant look on the ice and solid technical elements. If they can manage that, I think it would set them up nicely for moving up to seniors next season. With the field as wide open as it is now, they could be medal contenders for senior nationals next season if they can learn to consistently deliver. I feel like they have all the tools and it's just a matter of utilizing them when it counts, kind of like an Alissa Czisny type situation.

apollo13
12-22-2011, 11:55 PM
And they could have a bad LP at nationals, too. And Marley still looks very, very young.

Pairs has become fairly wide open in the US in the last couple years, since the breakups of Denney & Barrett, Yankowskas & Coughlin, McLaughlin & Brubaker, and the retirement of Inoue & Baldwin. The last longer term team left is Evora & Ladwig.

I don't know if you mean Vise/Baldwin or Marley/Brubaker, but definitely Castelli/Shnapir have skated together much longer than either team.

DORISPULASKI
12-23-2011, 12:03 AM
? Evora & Ladwig have skated together longer than Castelli & Shnapir, AFAIK?

Marley & Brubaker are still skating together; the couple that broke up that actually had some success was McLaughlin & Brubaker. The rest are all teams that have not been to Worlds; only E&L have gone of the remaining pack of contenders, so the field is pretty much wide open at Nationals. IMO, of course.

C&S and V&B and M&B all appeared on the GP this year, but not with enough success to give them an inside track. D&C (new this year) have not been as wildly successful as they might have hoped either. (4th at SA & 5th at NHK)

Sylvia
12-23-2011, 12:17 AM
Denney/Coughlin and Evora/Ladwig both missed out on a GP bronze medal this fall by about 2 points to Canada's Moore-Towers/Moscovitch at Skate America and Cup of China, respectively.


? Evora & Ladwig have skated together longer than Castelli & Shnapir, AFAIK?
Yes. Castelli/Shnapir paired up at the Novice level in 2006-7 so this will be their 6th Nationals together, 3rd as Seniors.

Evora/Ladwig have been skating together since the 2002-3 season so this will be their TENTH Nationals together, all at Senior!

2012 Nationals will be Duarte/Grafton's 8th Nationals together and they've progressed all the way from the Juvenile level in 2004-05 to Junior (2nd season).

ETA: The Junior pair of Cali Fujimoto/Nicholas Barsi-Rhyne also deserve mention for having competed together since the Juvenile level in 2001-2. 2012 will be their 9th Nationals as a team and their Junior national debut (they competed twice at Novice Nationals in 2008 & 2009).