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susan6
05-02-2011, 10:37 PM
Perhaps marbri lives in an area where the parents are a little more involved in clothing selection (or the teens are more modest). Fashion trends and associated peer pressure may vary from place to place. My brother in law is a school bus driver and in his area he says it's absolutely sluts on parade. Abercrombie and their ilk wouldn't be offering bras and thongs for pre-teens unless they were selling.

rjblue
05-02-2011, 10:39 PM
If the majority of girls are showing their hipbones, then why is it slutty to be exposing your hipbones? Modesty is not the fashion right now. Skin and piercings, and short skirts are the fashion, and a girl has to go really extremely underdressed to look odd right now.

I find the whole tramp/slutty thing rather offensive, because to me it is very close to the argument I used to hear in the '70's where they would defend a boy's actions because the girl was "asking for it" by the way she dressed.

A modestly dressed woman from the 1950's was wearing much less clothing than a prostitute from the 1900's. Was she dressing in a slutty fashion?

Also- young women have always pushed at the boundaries of what is acceptable, and it takes maturity (and guidance from their parents) to achieve the right balance. Some parents just let them go out and make a spectacle of themselves, and some make them look ridiculously prudish.

ryanbfan
05-02-2011, 11:09 PM
I used to work for the Abercrombie company.

Just sharing here, target markets for Abercrombie owned stores -
Ruehl 925 - around age 23 and up
Abercrombie and Fitch - 18 - 22 years old
Hollister - 15/16ish years to 18
Abercrombie - 10 - 14

My brother used to work for Express. That is definitely a store who's target market is not a pre teen. More like a young, working adult.

But I do agree, lots of girls, especially younger ones are dressing incredibly provocatively lately. It's gross.

ETA: Oh and have you guys noticed the new trend lately? Push up bathing suit tops. I'm pretty sure Abercrombie (the kids one, the adult one is Abercrombie and Fitch) has them. Target has them also. There's a trend I'll never understand.

RockTheTassel
05-02-2011, 11:24 PM
I think there's plenty of jeans, tops, and dresses available, even if there's a lot of ill-fitting, trashy stuff to sift through in order to find it. It's mostly just parents needing to help their daughters shop and not allow them to buy bad looking clothes just because they're the latest trend.

The only thing I haven't been able to find in recent years is a good pair of jean shorts. Everything available is either granny style or about as tiny as a swimsuit bottom. The tiny shorts are not only too revealing, but they're usually unfortunate looking for anyone without toothpick legs. I have one pair of shorts I bought years ago, nice normal ones, that I've been hanging onto since I can't find anything else. My sister has tried to steal them from me several times. :lol:

nubka
05-02-2011, 11:26 PM
Very impressive article.

It is not just kids. So many people these days wear stuff that just isn't suitable for them. They think they are looking fashionable but end up just looking skanky. And that is because the majority of stuff available is just cheap, not well made and doesn't suit a lot of body shapes.

But these are probably the same parents who put those headbands on their babies heads, even if they haven't got hair (one of the more ridiculous baby fashion trends). And a while back there was a company that made high heels for babies too, even though the kids couldn't walk.

Parents don't don't put headbands on baby girls because of hair. They do it because it's easier than trying to keep a bow or barrette in. I think a lot of them are really cute. :summer:

rjblue
05-02-2011, 11:57 PM
It also somewhat lessens the question- "How old is he?" Although it is surprising how many people will even overlook bows and headbands and ask about your little boy.

Stormy
05-02-2011, 11:58 PM
I used to work for the Abercrombie company.

Just sharing here, target markets for Abercrombie owned stores -
Ruehl 925 - around age 23 and up
Abercrombie and Fitch - 18 - 22 years old
Hollister - 15/16ish years to 18
Abercrombie - 10 - 14

My brother used to work for Express. That is definitely a store who's target market is not a pre teen. More like a young, working adult.

But I do agree, lots of girls, especially younger ones are dressing incredibly provocatively lately. It's gross.

ETA: Oh and have you guys noticed the new trend lately? Push up bathing suit tops. I'm pretty sure Abercrombie (the kids one, the adult one is Abercrombie and Fitch) has them. Target has them also. There's a trend I'll never understand.

Ruehl doesn't even exist anymore. Abercrombie closed the brand well over a year ago. I liked their stuff but it was hella overpriced.

So.....what's the difference between a push up bra and a push up bathing suit top? Both accomplish the same thing. And no, Abercrombie Kids doesn't offer the push up top anymore. Abercrombies does, but most adult bathing suit manufacturers do.

Also, Hollister skirts- http://www.hollisterco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category1_10251_10201_12595_-1_12552 Yeah, the denim ones are too short, defintiely. But...there's plenty of pretty, more modest alternatives.

rjblue
05-03-2011, 12:01 AM
And I'm tempted to join this protest - Slutwalk Halifax (http://www.facebook.com/index.php?lh=08c75f09ffb331e97ecb3035b387279f&eu=QNfsHYcQ8l0xJRyBpUMHdQ#!/event.php?eid=162988283760352)

LuckyCharm
05-03-2011, 12:10 AM
It also somewhat lessens the question- "How old is he?" Although it is surprising how many people will even overlook bows and headbands and ask about your little boy.

I always thought that was the main reason those headbands existed, i.e. to distinguish little bald baby girls from little bald baby boys.

I also often cringe when I walk past the girls' department at many stores, but I also know there's plenty of appropriate stuff available in those stores too. The questionable items do seem to be displayed more prominently though.

IceAlisa
05-03-2011, 12:16 AM
Where are these people shopping?

I don't have a little girl any more, but even my teenager can find perfectly presentable, unslutty clothes in stores (and she is WAY more modest than even I would demand her to be). I go shopping with a friend who has a nine year old girl, and, while we roll our eyes over some of the things we see, we never have any problem finding her daughter clothes, either.

This. I recently took my 8 year old niece shopping--she requested my presence because "Auntie IceAlisa has style" :D. We got her long tank tops, cardigans and jeggigns (denim leggings) for school. I did see some inappropriate clothing for her age group and was pleasantly surprised that my niece was very aware of critical of them. Her style of clothing is very relaxed, yet cute and age-appropriate.

My other niece is 12 and wears lots of jeans, sneakers and tees and tanks. She is starting to use make up and it's a bit of a struggle for her mom to keep it very light. But no, the answer is--most clothes for girls that I've seen are age appropriate.

ryanbfan
05-03-2011, 02:38 AM
So.....what's the difference between a push up bra and a push up bathing suit top? Both accomplish the same thing. And no, Abercrombie Kids doesn't offer the push up top anymore. Abercrombies does, but most adult bathing suit manufacturers do.

Personally I think push up bathing suit tops are tasteless. Then again I'm modest.

wickedwitch
05-03-2011, 02:56 AM
The only thing I haven't been able to find in recent years is a good pair of jean shorts. Everything available is either granny style or about as tiny as a swimsuit bottom. The tiny shorts are not only too revealing, but they're usually unfortunate looking for anyone without toothpick legs. I have one pair of shorts I bought years ago, nice normal ones, that I've been hanging onto since I can't find anything else. My sister has tried to steal them from me several times. :lol:

Finding any appropriate non-athletic shorts has been my summer shopping goal for three straight years. Ann Taylor's Loft has a good selection, but they're also quite expensive.

Andora
05-03-2011, 02:51 PM
I find the whole tramp/slutty thing rather offensive, because to me it is very close to the argument I used to hear in the '70's where they would defend a boy's actions because the girl was "asking for it" by the way she dressed.


Oh, it it wasn't left in the '70s. You still run into this boneheaded mentality these days.

I think slut-shaming is irresponsible and unfair. That said, it's not a terrible thing to keep kids looking like kids while you still can.

danceronice
05-03-2011, 03:11 PM
Personally, I say if it's not for sale, don't advertise, but if you're an adult you can do what you want. (People are entitled to not take you seriously because of it, as how you dress is how you want to be viewed unless someone FORCED you into wearing what you are. Like wearing an old t-shirt and flip-flops to an office job.)

If you're a kid (ie under the age of majority), no dressing like a tramp, either the sluty kind or the hobo kind. And it's not in fact, as mentioned, hard to find decent clothes that are practical.

As for push-up bathing suits, I hate them, but then I only wear a bathing suit if I actually want to SWIM. If they're being worn just to walk around, whatever kind of support you think you need. (Better too much than too little for some people.)

made_in_canada
05-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Personally I think push up bathing suit tops are tasteless. Then again I'm modest.

Depends on the size of your chest and the coverage of the suit ;) If you're rocking DD's and they're falling out of your top, well yes that's pretty tasteless. However, I wear bikinis with a little bit of extra help and it isn't trashy. I have barely any breasts and look like a stick though.

I don't really see that many young girls dressing like tramps around here. Although I will say that it seems that those that do usually have a mother or some other female caregiver around that's dressed questionably.