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ros01
05-07-2011, 12:53 AM
Somehow the expectations for Abbott have been so extremely high that his finishes seem like major disappointments. Maybe he doesn't deserve propping up anymore, but Bradley doesn't really merit 8s for PCS IMO.

Triple Butz
05-07-2011, 01:00 AM
Only one thing has kept Jeremy Abbott from being on the world team, from world medals, hell, from an Olympic medal, and that one thing is Jeremy himself.

Sorry but I just don't see the "magic" because as soon as he screws up the jumps he gets the deer in headlights look and the air goes out of the program. Is he a better skater than Ryan, Richard or Ross? Yes, at this time, but he doesn't bring it when it counts most. I was glad to finally see USFS NOT hold him up. He hasn't proved himself at Worlds yet, he didn't deserve breaks to try nd do so again this year.

You must only see the jumps. I'd like to see the other guys you mentioned deliver at worlds in terms of skating skills, choreography, and musicality.

emason
05-07-2011, 01:05 AM
I'm not saying Abbott should be entitled to a spot at Worlds, but those scores at Nationals for Bradley were really ridiculous and I really didn't see any reason why there's a difference in the situation when the USFS decided to send Meissner in 2008 over Hacker with the Abbott situation where he lost to Miner by .18.



Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that Hacker, after consultation with her coaches, declined the offer, and then the USFS went to the next person on the list, Meissner. Meissner was not sent over Hacker.

BittyBug
05-07-2011, 01:07 AM
You must only see the jumps. I'd like to see the other guys you mentioned deliver at worlds in terms of skating skills, choreography, and musicality.Typical men's free skate:

- 8 jumping passes
- 2 step sequences
- 3 spins

Yes, jumps matter. They're not the only thing, but they are an essential component.

MR-FAN
05-07-2011, 01:22 AM
Typical men's free skate:

- 8 jumping passes
- 2 step sequences
- 3 spins

Yes, jumps matter. They're not the only thing, but they are an essential component.

And all these account for about half the total score

olympic
05-07-2011, 01:27 AM
And he still wasn't able to place top 10, despite of that. :P

To be fair, he has no real intl. rep so this doesn't surprise me. Plus, his mark in the LP at his Worlds debut flirts with 150 pts. Not too shabby

Triple Butz
05-07-2011, 01:31 AM
Typical men's free skate:

- 8 jumping passes
- 2 step sequences
- 3 spins

Yes, jumps matter. They're not the only thing, but they are an essential component.

Ever heard of this other part of the score called PCS? :rolleyes:

BittyBug
05-07-2011, 01:35 AM
Ever heard of this other part of the score called PCS? :rolleyes:No, really? :rolleyes: x 10,000

aemeraldrainc
05-07-2011, 02:15 AM
[QUOTE=VIETgrlTerifa;3174082].....
I'm not saying Abbott should be entitled to a spot at Worlds, but those scores at Nationals for Bradley were really ridiculous and I really didn't see any reason why there's a difference in the situation when the USFS decided to send Meissner in 2008 over Hacker with the Abbott situation where he lost to Miner by .18........
QUOTE]

Forgive my ignorance, but who is Hacker?

victoriaheidi
05-07-2011, 02:19 AM
Forgive my ignorance, but who is Hacker?

Katrina Hacker. She skated for a while, and placed just ahead of Meissner at Nats 2008.

falling_dance
05-07-2011, 02:23 AM
Forgive my ignorance, but who is Hacker?

Katrina Hacker, the 2008 Eastern Sectional champion, who also finished 6th at 2008 and 2009 US Nats and 2008 Four Continents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KXwBp358qw (her 2008 US Nats SP)

Sylvia
05-07-2011, 02:24 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that Hacker, after consultation with her coaches, declined the offer, and then the USFS went to the next person on the list, Meissner. Meissner was not sent over Hacker.
I'm not sure this was ever "confirmed" information.


Katrina Hacker, the 2008 Eastern Sectional champion, who also finished 6th at 2008 and 2009 US Nats and 2008 Four Continents.
To add a little more context for those who might not know about the Hacker situation.... When she placed 6th at 2008 Nationals (her Senior debut, scoring 158.28) ahead of Meissner's 7th (157.56), Hacker's only previous international experience at that point had been 5th place at a JGP in Romania in the fall of 2006. She ended up going to 2008 Four Continents and Meissner was sent to 2008 Worlds. Here's the link to Hacker's USFS/IN bio: http://web.icenetwork.com/skaters/detail.jsp?id=100420&mode=I
ETA: Hacker's Competitive History in her bio includes "2009 - Nebelhorn Trophy - 10th" which took place after she had retired to go to college. I just looked up the results for 2009 Nebelhorn and it was Germany's Katharina HÄCKER who placed 10th. ;)

victoriaheidi
05-07-2011, 02:25 AM
I'm not sure this was ever "confirmed" information.

Agreed. Besides, why would she be the first alternate if she didn't want a spot on the team?

Jenna
05-07-2011, 03:56 AM
Katrina Hacker, the 2008 Eastern Sectional champion, who also finished 6th at 2008 and 2009 US Nats and 2008 Four Continents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KXwBp358qw (her 2008 US Nats SP)

What a breath of fresh air. She was gorgeous!

Jayar
05-07-2011, 04:49 AM
Nevermind