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rfisher
04-30-2011, 11:18 PM
Ummm...timing is a real consideration here. It's not as if Mirai could have obtained a visa and jumped on a plane from California to Russia overnight. If this happened Friday, there was no way she could have replaced Rachel. If Rachel withdrew, we'd have had only one skater. Unless there's a physician's report that states otherwise,meaning this occurred over a week ago, Rachel was pretty gutsy to skate and try to get that 3rd spot. She knew exactly what was at stake.

ProgramerUSFS
04-30-2011, 11:20 PM
I am sure the competitor in her wanted to skate, but the real issue is with the coach who must have known and pushed for this. If I was at USFSA I would push for a fine of the coach and a return of the monies paid this year. These coaches have to protect our kids, not use them for their own gain.

Jenna
04-30-2011, 11:22 PM
Rachael was gutsy and I deeply admire that. But honestly, if she was injured she didn't have to be a trooper and force herself to go. If she alerted USFS in a timely manner, who knows what they could have pulled out of their ass to get another skater there? By the time she was in Moscow, it was too late It seems like the injury was aggravated after the SP. Practice reports from before the FS indicated that she was not doing well..obviously by that time it is too late.

I know she was just trying to do the "right" thing, but it ended up hurting her in the end. She looked to be in pain, exhausted, upset, and embarrassed and I truly feel bad for her. As I said before, I do NOT think it's a coincidence that another one of Tom Z's students, Joshua Farris, went through a very similar experience this year at US Nationals...

rfisher
04-30-2011, 11:23 PM
And you know he pushed her? You know it was his decision? You know the extent of the injury?

rfisher
04-30-2011, 11:25 PM
Rachael was gutsy and I deeply admire that. But honestly, if she was injured she didn't have to be a trooper and force herself to go. If she alerted USFS in a timely manner, who knows what they could have pulled out of their ass to get another skater there? It seems like the injury was aggravated after the SP. Practice reports from before the FS indicated that she was not doing well..obviously by that time it is too late.

I know she was just trying to do the "right" thing, but it ended up hurting her in the end. She looked to be in pain, exhausted, upset, and embarrassed and I truly feel bad for her.

If the injury was indeed aggravated after the SP, there is nothing the USFSA could have done to get another skater there. I think it likely she thought she could manage just like Michelle thought she could do it in Torino. Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. Only the person on the ice knows.

Jenna
04-30-2011, 11:31 PM
And you know he pushed her? You know it was his decision? You know the extent of the injury?

Of course I do not KNOW for sure..but one has to admit the two situations are awfully coincidental. Let's get real here though, Rachael has had a nagging injury ALL season. It's been hot and cold the whole time and it was hot this week. The bottom line is, she knew she was in trouble before she even left for the event and she pushed herself to go. In pressure situations, these injuries tend to flare up and that's just what happened. I guess I just wish Rachael & Co. could have thought about her history this year (e.g. GPF) and what kind of consequences traveling so far away for such a high pressure situation could have had.

Ziggy
04-30-2011, 11:50 PM
rfisher - You're right about the timing and I am making an assumption she knew very well about the injury beforehand.

Oh well if it was her last Worlds, I can excuse her but only under the condition she never competes again. :P

PDilemma
04-30-2011, 11:55 PM
How would the U.S.'s spots for next year have been determined if she had withdrawn after the SP?

Jenna
05-01-2011, 12:02 AM
How would the U.S.'s spots for next year have been determined if she had withdrawn after the SP?

Alissa would have to be top 8 for 2 spots, or in the top 2 for 3 spots, I believe. Obviously, 2 spots was very doable. Would it have added pressure? Possibly. I'm not happy Rachael came to the comp., but I'm happy that once she was there, she stuck it out. WD-ing while there would have been the worst possible situation.

dupagegal
05-01-2011, 12:03 AM
If TZ ignored a serious injury and kept the facts from USFSA what can USFSA do? Is there any sanctions that can be enforced? As political as this would be we may never know.

Ziggy
05-01-2011, 12:05 AM
Alissa would have to be top 8 for 2 spots, or in the top 2 for 3 spots, I believe. Obviously, 2 spots was very doable. Would it have added pressure? Possibly. I'm not happy Rachael came to the comp., but I'm happy that once she was there, she stuck it out. WD-ing while there would have been the worst possible situation.

Top 10 for 2 spots and top 2 for 3 spots for a single skater.

Jenna
05-01-2011, 12:06 AM
If TZ ignored a serious injury and kept the facts from USFSA what can USFSA do? Is there any sanctions that can be enforced? As political as this would be we may never know.

Phil Hersh contacted one of USFSA's head honchos, David Raith, who said he was unaware there was any injury to Flatt. He also told Hersh he would text Rachael & Co. "immediately" to find out what was going on. I'm not really sure what could be done since a lot of the details are unknown/concealed.

Jenna
05-01-2011, 12:07 AM
Top 10 for 2 spots and top 2 for 3 spots for a single skater.

Wouldn't it be top 8 though since Rachael would just be given 20 pts. for withdrawing? Or would they ignore her completely and just count Czisny's performances?

Ziggy
05-01-2011, 12:10 AM
Wouldn't it be top 8 though since Rachael would just be given 20 pts. for withdrawing? Or would they ignore her completely and just count Czisny's performances?

I don't think a skater are given points for withdrawing, as they don't have a result at that competition, it's simply treated as if they were never there. I might be wrong though.

Jenna
05-01-2011, 12:12 AM
I don't think a skater are given points for withdrawing, as they don't have a result at that competition, it's simply treated as if they were never there. I might be wrong though.

Yeah. Idk for sure either..it's an interesting question.