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12-05-2011, 03:15 AM
[julieann already posted a link to the LP; just wanted to group these together.]

K&S CoR SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VdzQ8dKSt8&feature=related)
K&S CoR LP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3OxzB3uPVA&feature=channel_video_title)
K&S CoR EXH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrBJFoJRSvE)
[Couldn't find a broadcast video of the medals ceremony! Has one been posted at all? Anybody have a link to it?]

As always, thanks to all who post on YouTube!

SP: Much better than at NHKT. Slight change in the final pair spin and final pose.
LP: A return to some of last year's choreography. Have a feeling there'll probably be more changes before the end of the season.

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I have mixed feelings about K&S deciding to try the 4SalTh once more. I've been kind of enjoying them skating without it because it seems as if the circumstance of them refraining from attempting it--due to Yuko's surgery--has enabled them to concentrate on and develop other aspects of their performance and become more well-rounded. As I've commented before, they seem much calmer, settled, and unhurried this year; less anxious and less "scrambly" (if that's a word) while performing. I would be extremely glad if they could land the 4Sal successfully, but am uneasy at the thought that their program would be so dependent on that one, high-scoring element. Since what is distinctive about the LP is that it flows continuously from element to element with no stoppages, if that one element fails, how disruptive would that failure be to the rest of the program? The seamlessness of that program is, in my opinion, a great part of what makes it so beautiful to watch. I realize it is all about accumulating points, but, to me, "Clair de Lune" is becoming one of those programs that transcend the scoring, whether it gets the points or not.

Perhaps they should consider higher-value sbs jumps/combinations? On the other hand, with their entering what seems to be a new comfort zone in their skating this year, it's possible that the 4SalTh may be an element that could become reliable and consistent for them. Guess we can only wait and see. (I wonder if they've ever considered doing a 4LpTh? To listen to the British EuroSport commentators talking, Yuko has ample time on the 3LpTh to add another rotation. Probably just wishful thinking on the commentators' part. Just a random thought.)

At the moment, I guess, I'd prefer to see them perform a high, fully-rotated, cleanly caught 3twist lift and beautiful, fast death spirals rather than shaky quad attempts. I would love to see them be able to perform their twist with the same great technique as V&T and the Chinese pairs. I thought that their twist had shown some marginal improvement toward the end of last season, but they seem to have regressed a bit on it so far this season. I do love their unison and the way they interact on the ice. Would like to see how things could look with more polish and a little more speed.

Anyway, that's all just my opinion. I am glad that they have finally developed a good connection between them. It has affected their skating in a really positive way, I think. As I've mentioned before, I do think that they are finally skating with heart. It's great to see.

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Re: Yuko's shoulder--both Moskvina and Yuko, in separate interviews, have described what happened to Yuko's shoulder as "a slight sprain." Unlike at NHKT, she didn't have the right shoulder taped at CoR, so I guess that whatever happened in Japan has since been resolved.

On to the GP Final!

12-05-2011, 04:02 AM
K&S CoR SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VdzQ8dKSt8&feature=related)
K&S CoR LP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3OxzB3uPVA&feature=channel_video_title)
K&S CoR EXH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrBJFoJRSvE)
[Couldn't find a broadcast video of the medals ceremony! Has one been posted at all? Anybody have a link to it?]

As always, thanks to all who post on YouTube!

Awards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3fx-EZ19-U&list=PLDDEA2A9E8F39C02E&index=13&feature=plpp_video)
Press Conference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKRgOMhp1hg&list=PLDDEA2A9E8F39C02E&index=14&feature=plpp_video)


12-05-2011, 04:31 AM
They could do double rotations everything in their free and it would still be perfect to me. The choreo is sublime and she is a true job to watch. He has finally matched her in terms of emoting. Keep it as it is. ITA re: Mao. If you have reached a certain level of artistry, you don't need to risk as much. As to the German pairs, I think she is healthy and likes to take risks. Sometimes not a good idea, but I respect that as well.

My only concern is Yuko looks so frail, not like Pang, but still kind of small upper-body-wise. I have a shoulder issue myself and it kills just doing normal tasks and ice dance, I can't imagine doing pairs.

12-06-2011, 06:05 PM
Awards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3fx-EZ19-U&list=PLDDEA2A9E8F39C02E&index=13&feature=plpp_video)
Press Conference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKRgOMhp1hg&list=PLDDEA2A9E8F39C02E&index=14&feature=plpp_video)


12-20-2011, 11:12 PM
K&S GPF SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWs1f53S8s0)
K&S GPF LP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6mE8Q10eAw&feature)
GPF Pairs Podium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHrRLRDoQd0&feature) [very brief clip]
K&S GPF EXH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY9V3JokkjU)
As always, thanks to all who posted on YouTube!

SP & LP: Not as good or relaxed as they have been previously this season. Some of the anxiety seemed to be back. (I don't especially like the change to the dismount of their last lift in the LP. To me, it doesn't seem consistent with the rest of the choreography and, in addition, seems somewhat derivative. Just me, I guess.) Sasha offered somewhat of an explanation for their performances in an interview he gave after the competition:

The annoying 0.18 (http://winter.sport-express.ru/figureskating/reviews/18422/) Vaitsekhovskaya talks to Volosozhar/Trankov and Smirnov after the GPF LP
Two Russian pairs finished the GPF on the podium. The 2010 European champions Kawaguti/Smirnov took bronze and the 2011 World vice champions Volosozhar/Trankov tood silver, loosing the 3 times World champions Savchenko/Szelkowy just 0.18 points. . . .

. . . The bronze taken by Kawaguti/Smirnov could hardly be called a success. Yuko left the mixed zone right after the skate leaving Alexandr, who, it was obvious, didn't really want to comment on the GPF

AS: We looked far better in the practices. Though I felt the same on the practices and the competition

EV: What happened in the SP?
AS: Not being ready enough showed. It's my fault. I was slightly injuried in my leg after the Moscow GP and we hardly trained after. This is why Yuko made the mistakes. The girls skate with their `heads' while we, guys, trust the muscle memory. It's easier for us.

EV: I don't remember you ever being in the 2nd group. Was it very weird?
AS: We were in the same situation in GP in Japan when we became 5th in the SP. It's unusual. After all we are more experienced then the other 2 pairs so we did everything we planned in the 20 minutes. The rest of the time we were just bothering them. Of course it's an annoying thing to know being in the 2nd group you are out of medals to begin with. Concolusion: don't make mistakes in the SP. It's possible. We have a good coach, a good relationship, we just need time. Fortunately there is enough time till the Olympics.

EV: I can't get rid of an impression that after Yuko injuried her shoulder in Japan she is very tense again in her skating. As if she is constantly concentrates on not getting injuried again.
AS: I don't think so. Yuko is stressed because she is not confident. I explained before why she lacks confidence.
[Many thanks to TAHbKA, who posted the link and translated the complete interview (about V&T and K&S) in the From Russian With Love thread. I brought over just the part that was pertinent to K&S.]

They seemed to be having quite a discussion after the end of their LP before they took their bows. Sasha seemed to be trying to reassure Yuko about something. Anyway, good for them that they won the bronze medal, given that they had placed 5th in all three of their previous GPF appearances.

EXH: That first lift came down again; and again they did a pretty good job of improvising choreography on the spot. Seems like a fun number for them.

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Re: Yuko's hairdo in the LP--While others seem to think that her hairdo is a "granny"-type hairstyle, Yuko's hair reminds me of how Demi Moore's hair was styled in the movie A Few Good Men.

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Just saw as I was working on this post that they will be skipping Russian Nationals due to Sasha's injury. Shoot! Hope all the pairs recover quickly and completely. Amazing how precarious the status quo can be from day to day. Hope everyone is there at Europeans and Worlds!

[Double post again. Oh, well.]

12-21-2011, 12:01 AM
Get well soon, Sasha.

01-18-2012, 12:56 AM
Not much to cheer about for this team lately. I'm really sorry that they'll be missing Europeans this year after missing Russian Nationals. They started the season so strong then things went really strange: Yuko's "other shoulder" problem, Sasha's recurrent knee problem, now Sasha's appendicitis with the small intestine complication.

Hoping that the time between now and Worlds will enable them to heal completely and come back strong. Get healthy, guys! Wishing them all the best!

04-23-2012, 03:29 AM
[Once again double-posting and dragging this thread back from the oblivion to which it's been heading. Yeah, I know I could just start a new thread, but this one's still perfectly good, so what the hell. . .. And, yeah, I know this post is really, really, delayed, but just wanted to close out the season.]

Anyway, because, as a fan, one must accept the bad as well as celebrate the good:

2012 Worlds SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80NtpDzZXsA)
2012 Worlds LP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shJ2jBQjrNQ)

(Many thanks, as usual, to those who posted videos on YouTube.)

[7th place, unfortunately, so no podium, no gala. Oh, well. It is what is. Blah, blah, blah; etc., etc., etc….] Freak fall in the SP at Worlds for the second year in a row! What are the odds, man?! Sasha would have had to just have been kicking himself after both the SP and the LP. I have to believe that they still weren't at 100% during Worlds. How would things have turned out if that lift had gone up as it should have in the LP? ["Woulda, coulda, shoulda;" didn't, durnit!]

The past four months or so have been so frustrating for me as a fan, especially since the season started out so well for them. (Given the choice, I'd rather they completely bomb in the GP series and do well at Worlds instead of the other way around. Ideally, of course, they'd do well during the whole season and at every competition.) Anyway, you can never tell when illness or injury will occur.

Since this was the second season for Claire de Lune, it's unlikely that they'll be competing it anymore, sad to say. I'm hoping that they'll keep it as an exhibition number so they can perform it from time to time. It really became a signature piece for them.

Excerpts from their performances in Stockholm Ice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSm1coyvV6Y&feature). Nice to see them enjoying themselves.

What I want is for them to continue to strengthen their partnership as a team and to continue exploring unique and beautiful programs without resorting to bizarre choreography. I'd like for them to clean up their triple twist and to skate with joy and abandon; and to hell with what anybody says or thinks about them. Most of all, I want them to get healthy and to stay healthy!

Hoping they have a great and productive off-season and that they come back strong next season!

[In the meantime, here's "Left Alone" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7lIffL3xaQ&feature=related) . Really melancholy. Kind of like my mood has been since Worlds. Lyrics (http://www.lyricsty.com/billie-holiday-left-alone-lyrics.html) . Listen and read and contemplate. . ..]

04-23-2012, 03:36 AM
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04-23-2012, 07:43 AM
CDL looked really good skated to Nessun Dorma, although it's overused atleast it's not an electric guitar. I too hope that Moskvina fixes their twist but after 6 years I doubt she will, she must not see it as a problem. :(

I hope they come up with new jump combos like 3T+2A or something similar. Our maybe work on a 3FTh.

04-23-2012, 11:16 PM
Nice to see this thread resumed.
With Smirnov's cockups in the Worlds two years running, I hope people (some, not perhaps those here) will stop bashing Yuko and saying Smirnov should skate with someone else etc.