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briancoogaert
04-28-2011, 08:25 AM
Maybe the ISU will get around to rectifying the badly done jumps too :P
LOL, Miki Ando's 4Sal should have been rectified before being ratified. :saint:

Sayana_mnk
04-28-2011, 08:14 PM
Although he is obscure and only finished in tenth place at Russian nationals, let's not forget Vladislav Sezganov, who is practicing the quad lutz and can be seen doing an amazing one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIv1_eYk9Cg. Of course, I realize he won't be competing internationally at ISU championships, but maybe taking the third spot at Cup of Russia some year is in his future and he can attempt his quad there.

pinky166
04-29-2011, 04:53 AM
Flip: Chan, Brezina

Lutz: Rippon!

Loop: Reynolds, Gatchinski

4t+4t: KVDP (if he doesn't retire), Oda

millipied
04-29-2011, 05:04 AM
S/S may try 4Fth

orbitz
04-29-2011, 05:36 PM
Lutz: Gachinsky (Weiss' was never ratified, was it?)

Weiss never landed a clean 4L in competition.

I think a clean 4t-4t is too much, so I don't think we'll see one any time soon; although Plushy has attempted 3A-4t in practice.

ks777
04-29-2011, 08:37 PM
If Midori and Plushenko had kids.. the kids might be able to a quad axel.

caseyedwards
04-29-2011, 09:26 PM
Although he is obscure and only finished in tenth place at Russian nationals, let's not forget Vladislav Sezganov, who is practicing the quad lutz and can be seen doing an amazing one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIv1_eYk9Cg. Of course, I realize he won't be competing internationally at ISU championships, but maybe taking the third spot at Cup of Russia some year is in his future and he can attempt his quad there.

I thought of this guy! Couldn't think of the name right away so dropped it. But it could be someone like him to do it.


S/S may try 4Fth

Now I just think of what I read about them saying why they are probably not going to try it. Something like it is not like doing a triple with one extra revolution - it is a compeletely different thing and that is tough even trying.

Gachinksi 4 loop looked so good.

Would like to see Rippon try a 4lz. He can do a 3lz with both arms over his head so there is something about a lz that he can do it in a much harder fashion than everyone else already!

Proustable
04-30-2011, 05:06 AM
The throw quad isn't worth a hell of a lot: A throw 4F is work 9.0 points. A throw 3F is worth 5.5. And the difference between a quad-twist and triple-twist is even narrower: 2.2 to 2.7 difference (assuming matching levels).

Also, rewatching their LP, Aliona seems to rotate quite slowly (relatively speaking), which would make a quad throw even less likely.

Would be awesome, though.

misskarne
04-30-2011, 06:56 AM
Weiss never landed a clean 4L in competition.

I think a clean 4t-4t is too much, so I don't think we'll see one any time soon; although Plushy has attempted 3A-4t in practice.

Plushy is landing 3A-4T in practice apparently but is undecided whether he will try in competition. He has admitted trying 4T-4T but that it would basically have to be a 20-second program for him to try it in competition because he's phyiscally unable to do anything else after it. I don't know whether that has anything to do with where he tried it in his practice session, but it doesn't sound good.

briancoogaert
04-30-2011, 08:38 AM
Plushy is landing 3A-4T in practice apparently but is undecided whether he will try in competition.
:confused:
The attempt I watched was under-rotated, and I don't think he has ever rotated one. His attempt was impressive and I admire him for trying it, but there is no doubt it's not good enough to try it in competition.
And will he compete again at such a level ?

misskarne
04-30-2011, 01:21 PM
:confused:
The attempt I watched was under-rotated, and I don't think he has ever rotated one. His attempt was impressive and I admire him for trying it, but there is no doubt it's not good enough to try it in competition.
And will he compete again at such a level ?

The only vision of this we have is from around about May last year, I think. If he continued to work on it, I have no doubt he would be rotating it properly by now. We shall have to see.

:wall: HOW many times is this going to have to be said? PLUSHENKO IS NOT BANNED FOR LIFE. Cinquantta (sp?) himself said they're aiming to reinstate him in June. He WILL be back.

:plush:

briancoogaert
04-30-2011, 06:59 PM
:wall: HOW many times is this going to have to be said? PLUSHENKO IS NOT BANNED FOR LIFE. Cinquantta (sp?) himself said they're aiming to reinstate him in June. He WILL be back.

:plush:
The funniest post I've read since the last crs post ! :rofl:

Macassar88
05-02-2011, 07:40 PM
Although he is obscure and only finished in tenth place at Russian nationals, let's not forget Vladislav Sezganov, who is practicing the quad lutz and can be seen doing an amazing one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIv1_eYk9Cg. Of course, I realize he won't be competing internationally at ISU championships, but maybe taking the third spot at Cup of Russia some year is in his future and he can attempt his quad there.

Did he two foot that? Nevertheless, it's amazing

Macassar88
05-02-2011, 07:47 PM
If Midori and Plushenko had kids.. the kids might be able to a quad axel.

Maybe a kulik ito child

Macassar88
05-02-2011, 07:49 PM
The throw quad isn't worth a hell of a lot: A throw 4F is work 9.0 points. A throw 3F is worth 5.5. And the difference between a quad-twist and triple-twist is even narrower: 2.2 to 2.7 difference (assuming matching levels).

Also, rewatching their LP, Aliona seems to rotate quite slowly (relatively speaking), which would make a quad throw even less likely.

Would be awesome, though.
Points wise, I think it would be better for them to stick to the triple flip and maybe try and do side by side triple salchows instead of double axels. They get 2s and 3s consistenly on their triple flip, and I don't think it's worth the risk to go for the quad. Also, I think that one of the amazing things about the triple flip that they do is her delay and slow rotation in the air, and I don't want to lose that.