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nuge
04-09-2011, 06:39 PM
comparable)
Grushina & Goncharov - Olympic bronze, 1 world medal
Denkova & Staviyski - 2 world titles
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I bet D'S wouldn't swap those two world titles for that olympic bronze which could have been theirs :P

Loves_Shizuka
04-09-2011, 07:00 PM
Looking back, as much as I enjoyed Lobacheva/Averbukh and as fantastic a skater as Ilya was, overall they were not a great team; especially compared to the other top Russian teams. They did have two or three stand out programs but in general Ilya was the star and most of the time outshone Irina. Additionally, Natalia Linichuk seemed to give them programs that didn't seem designed for a team that was looking to move up the standings and win championships. Therefore they just missed my HM list despite two world medals (one championship).

I never, ever, EVER got L/A. Seriously. I was TOTALLY lost on why/how they were liked so much by 02. I'm no teknik, but I never thought they were that good and everything they did seemed totally blah. I always thought of them as a kind of 2nd tier couple, like a 4-6 kinda team, but clearly I know nothing. :confused:

judgejudy27
04-09-2011, 07:28 PM
If Lobacheva & Averbuhk were from most other countries they would have been a 2nd tier out of the medals regularly kind of couple. If Krylova & Ovsiannikov had not had her back injury and the Russians needed to anoint an unusually unexceptional team to their #1 status L/A probably would have never won a World medal of any color (or maybe one bronze if they got lucky). Even with the backing as Russian #1 they finished out of the medals at the 2000 Worlds and were lucky to eke out their bronze in 2001. It took 3 years as Russian #1 for them to become a major threat at the very top.

duane
04-09-2011, 11:28 PM
Honorable mentions:
Torvill & Dean - Olympic bronze, but Olympic gold and 4 world titles prior to 1989!
Thanks Cherub. I've never been a fan of Ice Dancing, but definitely have heard of T&D. I didn't understand why they weren't on the list until reading your post, and realizing that their success occurred prior to 1989!

Vash01
04-10-2011, 07:33 AM
I can't rank them, but here are my 10 most favorite ice dance teams since 1989:

1.Klimova-Ponomarenko
2.Usova-Zhulin
3.Virtue-Moir
4.Davis-White
5.Grishchuk-Platov
6.Krylova-Ovssianikov
7.Anissina-Peizerat
8.Navka-Kostomarov
9.Domnina-Shabalin
10.Denkova-Staviyski

longingfornia
04-11-2011, 02:51 PM
If Lobacheva & Averbuhk were from most other countries they would have been a 2nd tier out of the medals regularly kind of couple. If Krylova & Ovsiannikov had not had her back injury and the Russians needed to anoint an unusually unexceptional team to their #1 status L/A probably would have never won a World medal of any color (or maybe one bronze if they got lucky). Even with the backing as Russian #1 they finished out of the medals at the 2000 Worlds and were lucky to eke out their bronze in 2001. It took 3 years as Russian #1 for them to become a major threat at the very top.


I think Krylova & Ovsiannikov would have dominated Dance to 02 with a great rivary with Anissina & Peizerat. They could have won 4 or 5 Wc's in a row plus OLY Gold damn...........grrrr

Loves_Shizuka
04-11-2011, 02:59 PM
^Aww. I know right. K/O were big, big faves of mine. It's sad their career got cut so short, just as they were about to come into their own IMO. With their more classical style, they'd have had some great battles with the Frenchies I'm sure. I never really thought FP/M and A/P was much of a convincing rivalry.

Proustable
04-11-2011, 03:36 PM
I think Krylova & Ovsiannikov would have dominated Dance to 02 with a great rivary with Anissina & Peizerat. They could have won 4 or 5 Wc's in a row plus OLY Gold damn...........grrrr

I'm not sure they would've dominated. They K/O won in 1999 with a 5-4 split and had already lost the OD, if I recall. Having watched some of their earlier dances (1995 Flamenco, the Masquerade Waltz) their early exit was a damn shame. It would've been awesome if they had managed to get together earlier (in time for Lillehammer), but sakes alive they rocked.

So did Anissina/Peizarat. That would've been a terrific rivalry.

judgejudy27
04-11-2011, 11:00 PM
I am pretty sure A/P would have beaten K/O at the 2000 Worlds with it being in France. After that all bets are off. Some strange things happened after that anyway like the Italians World title. I personally dont think K/O would have had a dominant unbeaten like run like G/P though even if they did win the 2002 OG and a 3rd World title at some point.

blue_idealist
04-12-2011, 05:58 AM
I never really thought FP/M and A/P was much of a convincing rivalry.

Me either.. I don't really understand why FP/M won Worlds or an Olympic medal besides politics.. a lot of teams such as Bourne/Kraatz and Drobiazko/Vanagas, to name a couple, were much better than them. I think A/P should have always beaten them!

icenut84
04-19-2011, 09:38 PM
I never, ever, EVER got L/A. Seriously. I was TOTALLY lost on why/how they were liked so much by 02. I'm no teknik, but I never thought they were that good and everything they did seemed totally blah. I always thought of them as a kind of 2nd tier couple, like a 4-6 kinda team, but clearly I know nothing. :confused:

I used to quite like them, but I know a lot of people didn't. My favourite performance of theirs was definitely their Spanish OD in 2002 Olympics - it was fantastic. I also liked their 2002 FD (controversial, hey?) and their 2001 FD, but that was pretty much it. Their FD in 2003 just made me laugh - the 'mockingbird' bit of the music was so random and reminded me of the scene in Dumb & Dumber when they were singing it in the van!


Thanks Cherub. I've never been a fan of Ice Dancing, but definitely have heard of T&D. I didn't understand why they weren't on the list until reading your post, and realizing that their success occurred prior to 1989!

If you didn't know their success was prior to 1989, does that mean you have never seen their most famous routines? Even 27-29 years later, their routines are remembered and considered up there with the best ever.

Bolero, 1984 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2zbbN4OL98

Paso Doble OSP, 1984 (they used to have to repeat the pattern 3 times - this was imo one of the best pieces of skating choreography ever) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaJtKHeis_g

Barnum, 1983 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydN5Glf9KI0

Mack & Mabel, 1982 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmdv74L7nWo

I have no idea who I'd have in my own top 10 from 89 onwards though! But I definitely wouldn't have the Duchesnays on it. Isabelle was nowhere near the standard of an elite ice dancer, IMO - they only got where they did because of Dean's choreography. I've never really understood how they did as well as they did, beating K&P and U&Z :confused:

dinakt
04-20-2011, 12:38 AM
My top 10:

Klimova/Ponomarenko
Grishuk/Platov
Usova/Zhulin
Krylova/Ovsyannikov
Anissina/Peizerat
Delobel/Schoenfelder
Virtue/Moir
Davis/White
Denkova/Staviski
Navka/Kostomarov

nuge
04-20-2011, 08:41 AM
. Their FD in 2003 just made me laugh - the 'mockingbird' bit of the music was so random and reminded me of the scene in Dumb & Dumber when they were singing it in the van!


I watched this FD yesterday and I do like it it was fun ' and they skated it well .But it was more of an ex piece.



! But I definitely wouldn't have the Duchesnays on it. Isabelle was nowhere near the standard of an elite ice dancer, IMO - they only got where they did because of Dean's choreography. I've never really understood how they did as well as they did, beating K&P and U&Z :confused:


The Duchesnays were only popular because of the choreo yes.They were so controversial ' with the marks the judges didn't know what to do with them at first :lol:

briancoogaert
04-20-2011, 09:04 AM
1-Grishuk&Platov
2-Anissina&Peizerat
3-Klimova&Ponomarenko
4-Delobel&Schoenfelder
5-Virtue&Moir
6-Denkova&Staviski
7-Usova&Zhulin
8-Navka&Kostomarov
9-Krilova&Ovsianikov
10-Duchesnays (for their amazing FD in 1990 and 1991 !)

longingfornia
01-09-2012, 05:13 PM
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My new list
1 Marina Klimova & Sergei Ponomarenko Russia
2 Oksana Grishuk & Evgeny Platov Russia
3 Angelika Krylova & Oleg Ovsiannikov Russia
4 Maya Usova & Alexander Zhulin Russia
5 Marina Anissina & Gwendal Peizerat France
6 Tatiana NAVKA & Roman KOSTOMAROV Russia
7 Tessa VIRTUE & Scott MOIR Canada
8 Albena DENKOVA & Maxim STAVISKI Bulgaria
9 Isabelle Delobel & Olivier Schoenfelder France
10 Oksana DOMNINA & Maxim SHABALIN Russia

HM
Meryl Davis & Charlie White USA
Irina LOBACHEVA & Ilia AVERBUKH Russia
Susanna Rahkamo & Petri Kokko Finland
Margarita Drobiazko & Povilas Vanagas Lithuania