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MikiAndoFan#1
04-06-2011, 06:51 PM
I have a question: if this passes, will the skaters competing be the same that competed alone? For example, if Miki, Mao and Kanako get chosen to go to the 2014 Olympics, does this mean one of those three is chosen for the team competition?

manleywoman
04-06-2011, 06:53 PM
I'm sure similar arguments were made when baseball and softball were introduced as Olympic sports. It didn't happen, and those sports are no longer included in the Olympics.

Baseball is hardly similar, because that's a sport where the World Series (which hardly includes the World of course) is the biggest prize of the year. Same with Tennis and it's events and cycling with the Tour de France . . . for those sports the Olympics aren't the biggest prize.

Can't explain softball . . .

barbk
04-06-2011, 06:53 PM
I wish they used a 3-out-of-4 format, which would help a lot more countries be possible contenders.

Visaliakid
04-06-2011, 06:56 PM
I have a question: if this passes, will the skaters competing be the same that competed alone? For example, if Miki, Mao and Kanako get chosen to go to the 2014 Olympics, does this mean one of those three is chosen for the team competition?

This is official. The IOC Executive Committee and IOC President Jacques Rogge have approved the skating team event for Sochi in 2014. The team members will consist of skaters who qualify for their nation's olympic team (from among the qualifying teams determined by outcome of the 2013 World Figure Skating Championships).

Note: We will get a preview of how this team event will be conducted when the Team format will be held at the 2012 Youth Winter Olympics in Innsbruck, Austria.

manleywoman
04-06-2011, 06:58 PM
Isn't that what the individual competition already provides? Specialists (i.e. singles vs pairs/dance)? Unless as someone said they break the competition down to just spinning, certain jumps, some kind of "freestyle" moves, etc - which I sincerely hope isn't the case.

Not in the same way. There are some amazing spinners who can't jump, and vice-versa. They are rewarded for what they do well, but they'll never be competitive. I'd welcome a series of individual events.


To achieve that, they could just give separate medals for short and long programs, and make the requirements for each more different.

I would love this too, and it would be soooo easy. They already have to compete those events anyway . . . why not award medals for each leg of the event, and then the overall winner is the all-around champ?

smartblade
04-06-2011, 07:00 PM
This would be very unfair when only some skaters get the opportunity while the others don't because they have no team with medal chances. The sport should be about fairness (naive, I know). Some will have multiple Olympic medals just because they happen to be Russian or Canadian. It would make me even more sad for good skaters who will never win the Olympic medal. The idea is nationalistic to the core and I hate it.

It would be a little bit better if not the same skaters can do both events.

Figure skating is an individualistic sport, not team sport. Getting medal with easy program or splatting all over the place because someone else landed many jumps or is a great ice dancer makes no sense to me.

I would love synchro competition but, well, it's not going to happen.

In all fairness this is no different than lets say swimming, athleteics or gymnastics, the majority of these sports are individualistic but there are team events as well...one swimmer/runner might be significantly slower and the others on the team have to make up for it during a relay, or one gymnast falls and the others on the team have nail the dismounts. In the end they worked as a team and they supported each other in the end, no matter what the result first or last. Thats the point of team events!!!

overedge
04-06-2011, 07:01 PM
As fans of figure skating I don't understand how people can really dislike the idea...figure skating is a popular major sport during the winter games it only helps develop the olympic movement. Its about promoting diversity and inclusion

By featuring the same skaters that are also going to be competing in their own events later on?

There are plenty of ways to develop the "Olympic movement". This isn't one of them.

julieann
04-06-2011, 07:04 PM
My point was that your post implied that Sarah had somehow not earned her OGM. And if we're talking about teams, there is a lot more potential for someone with a less-than-stellar performance to medal/win, based on the greatness of their teammates.

I understood your point, it was bash someone like Alena Leonova who isn't setting the skating word on fire but then again neither did Hughes until it counted. (Have you seen her medal record?)

But should we not give someone a change to rise to the occasion? They are on the National Olympic team? Or maybe we should only allow the national champions to go to the Olympics maybe only have the top 10 go and leave the really crappy ones at home.

I think the IOC is trying to get a way for countries to build the programs across all four disciplines so they all can send one lady, one man, one pair and one dance team (or two or whatever) There will always be countries that dominate because they care more about building programs than others. And if not then just settle for individual medals not team medals.

In any team sport you will always have some teams that have all great team members and some that are weaker, that is life. Some are injured, some are inexperienced, some are just off that day; you just deal with it the best you can just like in any other sport.

smartblade
04-06-2011, 07:11 PM
By featuring the same skaters that are also going to be competing in their own events later on?

There are plenty of ways to develop the "Olympic movement". This isn't one of them.

I Disagree these same skaters who are cometing in their own events later on get to recognize first, how to work as a team, be supportive and compassionate. realize its not just their olympic moment, but their teams moment, their country's moment!

Spinner
04-06-2011, 07:19 PM
I would love this too, and it would be soooo easy. They already have to compete those events anyway . . . why not award medals for each leg of the event, and then the overall winner is the all-around champ?I don'y know, I think it's pretty awesome that the skating medals right now are so exclusive. That said, I'm not totally opposed to awarding all portions of the competition either.

As far as the team event goes, I think we should reserve any worries about its format until said format is actually announced and finalized.

Vagabond
04-06-2011, 07:20 PM
I still don't see how having an Olympic team competition is going to get federations to build up their fields in previously overlooked disciplines, especially in pairs and dance. It takes a long time to develop homegrown talent in these disciplines, and it's not easy to sustain it.

As it is, Japan, Italy, France, Germany, and even Russia have all been using imported pairs skaters recently because their native-born skaters haven't been up to snuff.

JerseySlore
04-06-2011, 07:23 PM
I understood your point, it was bash someone like Alena Leonova who isn't setting the skating word on fire but then again neither did Hughes until it counted. (Have you seen her medal record?)

But should we not give someone a change to rise to the occasion? They are on the National Olympic team? Or maybe we should only allow the national champions to go to the Olympics maybe only have the top 10 go and leave the really crappy ones at home.

I think the IOC is trying to get a way for countries to build the programs across all four disciplines so they all can send one lady, one man, one pair and one dance team (or two or whatever) There will always be countries that dominate because they care more about building programs than others. And if not then just settle for individual medals not team medals.

In any team sport you will always have some teams that have all great team members and some that are weaker, that is life. Some are injured, some are inexperienced, some are just off that day; you just deal with it the best you can just like in any other sport.

Every qualifying athlete already has a chance to rise to the occasion. You keep bringing up Hughes, but she was given one chance just like other skaters and made the most of it.

julieann
04-06-2011, 07:24 PM
Every qualifying athlete already has a chance to rise to the occasion. You keep bringing up Hughes, but she was given one chance just like other skaters and made the most of it.

And now they'll have one more.

missing
04-06-2011, 07:25 PM
I understood your point, it was bash someone like Alena Leonova who isn't setting the skating word on fire but then again neither did Hughes until it counted. (Have you seen her medal record?).

Granted this is off topic, but Sarah Hughes was the reigning World bronze medalist going into the Olympics and had defeated her top two competitors (Irina and Michelle) at a Grand Prix event that season.

Her record before winning Olympic gold is very similar to Alexei Urmanov's.

On topic, I still don't understand how this team competition will work, but I love watching skating so I hope it succeeds.

MikiAndoFan#1
04-06-2011, 07:26 PM
This is official. The IOC Executive Committee and IOC President Jacques Rogge have approved the skating team event for Sochi in 2014. The team members will consist of skaters who qualify for their nation's olympic team (from among the qualifying teams determined by outcome of the 2013 World Figure Skating Championships).

Note: We will get a preview of how this team event will be conducted when the Team format will be held at the 2012 Youth Winter Olympics in Innsbruck, Austria.

Thank you for answering! :) What I had in mind was that other skaters would take part in the team competition. That way more skaters would have a chance to compete at the Olympics.