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longingfornia
04-05-2011, 08:58 PM
1 Michelle Kwan USA

2 Yuna Kim SK

3 Mao Asada JPN

4 Irina Slutskaya RUS

5 JShizuka Arakawa JPN

6 Kristi Yamaguchi USA

7 Sasha Cohen USA

8 Midori Ito JPN

9 Maria Butyrskaya RUS

10 Tara Lipinski USA

attyfan
04-05-2011, 09:05 PM
I don't think there will be a lot of dispute about the names, although maybe the order? I am curious ... why do you think Butyrskaya outranks Lipinski? Since Ito was a trailblazer, I think I would have her second or third on the list.

olympic
04-05-2011, 09:28 PM
I think Chen Lu belongs on there

ks777
04-05-2011, 09:43 PM
Top 10 ladies based on what?

judgejudy27
04-05-2011, 09:59 PM
1 Michelle Kwan USA

2 Yuna Kim SK

3 Mao Asada JPN

4 Irina Slutskaya RUS

5 JShizuka Arakawa JPN

6 Kristi Yamaguchi USA

7 Sasha Cohen USA

8 Midori Ito JPN

9 Maria Butyrskaya RUS

10 Tara Lipinski USA

Mine would be:

1. Midori Ito
2. Yu Na Kim
3. Michelle Kwan
4. Kristi Yamaguchi
5. Irina Slutskaya
6. Mao Asada
7. Tara Lipinski
8. Shizuka Arakawa
9. Lu Chen
10. One out of Sasha Cohen, Maria Butyrskaya, Jill Trenary, Sarah Hughes, Miki Ando, Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan

julieann
04-05-2011, 10:20 PM
I am curious ... why do you think Butyrskaya outranks Lipinski?

Look at the medal record. :lol:

I'm not sure what the criteria was for the list but some are missing and I don't see the hype surrounding others, ie Lipinski.

judgejudy27
04-05-2011, 10:21 PM
Lipinski at 14 or 15 could already beat Butyrskaya in her sleep. She was winning major events where Butyrskaya wasnt even making the podium. And Tara achieved more in 15 months than Maria did in her decade long career. There is no comparision really. Tara at her short peak won 4 of 5 major meetings with Michelle Kwan. Butyrskaya managed 2 wins over Kwan her whole career.

ks777
04-05-2011, 10:22 PM
Sasha Cohen hasn't won any Major title(Olympic gold or world gold) so I wouldn't put her in the top 10 if it's based on accomplishments.

julieann
04-05-2011, 10:37 PM
Lipinski at 14 or 15 could already beat Butyrskaya in her sleep. She was winning major events where Butyrskaya wasnt even making the podium. And Tara achieved more in 15 months than Maria did in her decade long career. There is no comparision really. Tara at her short peak won 4 of 5 major meetings with Michelle Kwan. Butyrskaya managed 2 wins over Kwan her whole career.

It's sometimes about longevity in a career not just about winning one Worlds, one Olympics and one Nationals and not much else then calling it quits. Some athletes just like to compete for a decade no matter what color medal they get. I would much rather have Kwan's or Slutskaya's career than Lipinski's.

Besides we have no idea how her career would have turned out. She could have been a legend or never live up to that hype ever again, who knows.

iarispiralllyof
04-05-2011, 10:40 PM
1 Michelle Kwan USA

2 Yuna Kim SK

3 Mao Asada JPN

4 Irina Slutskaya RUS

5 JShizuka Arakawa JPN

6 Kristi Yamaguchi USA

7 Sasha Cohen USA

8 Midori Ito JPN

9 Maria Butyrskaya RUS

10 Tara Lipinski USA

agreed with your list, but in terms of the top 4 it's quite hard to determine the exact order. depends on your personal opinion of what should be weighted more heavily

blue_idealist
04-05-2011, 10:55 PM
1) Michelle Kwan

2) Yu-Na Kim

3) Lu Chen

4) Irina Slutskaya

5) Mao Asada

6) Midori Ito

7) Kristi Yamaguchi

8) Tara Lipinski

9) Shizuka Arakawa

10) Sasha Cohen

Hard to leave Baiul, Kerrigan, Hughes and Butyrskaya off the list but Butyrskaya has no Olympic medal, and the other three didn't thrill me in the least even though they do.

judgejudy27
04-05-2011, 11:09 PM
It's sometimes about longevity in a career not just about winning one Worlds, one Olympics and one Nationals and not much else then calling it quits. Some athletes just like to compete for a decade no matter what color medal they get. I would much rather have Kwan's or Slutskaya's career than Lipinski's.

Besides we have no idea how her career would have turned out. She could have been a legend or never live up to that hype ever again, who knows.

I am not talking about Kwan or Slutskaya though. I am talking about Butyrskaya. I would much rather have Taras career than Marias even with her longevity as mostly a second tier wannabee contender. I think nearly every skater would too.

I actually think Taras career might well have fizzled out had she continued. It is irrelevant though, she easily did enough in 15 months to trump Marias whole career. And it is not like Maria left any kind of mark on the sport beyond her medals. First Russian to win Worlds but years from now most people probably will assume that was Slutskaya and would need to be told it was Maria. Tara will always be the youngest to ever win Olympics or Worlds and has invented 2 triple-triple combinations. And to most who followed the sport at the time will mostly remember Maria winning Worlds since Kwan fell and the rest of the field was really weak that year, she was never at any point considered the best skater in the World, or even arguably so.

miki88
04-05-2011, 11:42 PM
This again? How many of these lists have we had already? :blah:

julieann
04-05-2011, 11:50 PM
I am not talking about Kwan or Slutskaya though. I am talking about Butyrskaya. I would much rather have Taras career than Marias even with her longevity as mostly a second tier wannabee contender. I think nearly every skater would too.

I actually think Taras career might well have fizzled out had she continued. It is irrelevant though, she easily did enough in 15 months to trump Marias whole career. And it is not like Maria left any kind of mark on the sport beyond her medals. First Russian to win Worlds but years from now most people probably will assume that was Slutskaya and would need to be told it was Maria. Tara will always be the youngest to ever win Olympics or Worlds and has invented 2 triple-triple combinations. And to most who followed the sport at the time will mostly remember Maria winning Worlds since Kwan fell and the rest of the field was really weak that year, she was never at any point considered the best skater in the World, or even arguably so.

I think you are selling Maria a tad short. She has medaled at the Soviet/Russian Championships every year for 11 years; those being 6 gold, 3 silver, 2 bronze. She won 6 European medals including 3 gold - one at the age of 29. She won a myriad of Grand Prix medals including 4 golds at Trophee Lalique (in a row) one a Skate America, Skate Canada, NHK and 3 medals at the Grand Prix Final. She had respectable showings at the Olympics with a 4th place and a 6th place. Just because one doesnít come home with a medal doesnít mean itís not an accomplishment. If that is how the IOC saw it they would only invite the top 10 skaters. She has 3 medals from the World Championships including one gold; which you pointed out she only won because Michelle Kwan fell.

Well, if all the medals were taken from those who won them because of a weak field or someone didnít do well, not many athletes in any sport would have medals.

longingfornia
04-06-2011, 12:01 AM
i just watched Lu Chen's 95 Wc long and think maybe i had forgot how great she was. Sasha could have been top five if she got gold in Turin plus i think she is a stronger skater then Shizuka. Omg Kwan's long in Nagano OG98 was some much better then Tara's IMHO