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kwanfan1818
04-02-2011, 06:58 AM
A very interesting fellow, this John Curry! Do u guys know of a good biography of him? I'm quite intrigued about his life
I don't know of a print bio, but here are links to a TV program called "Maestro":
Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yh2a0OMGf8)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_09WZXBOzAw)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv9M3rsDchU)
Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Wg27Vuq_4)
Part 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjj86kmnAEc)

Links to "50 Golden Days"
Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af74nqXvoK0)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvkgDwJ_Onc)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPXsST9vGFg)
Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nguVH2FG3l0)

All were posted to YouTube by floskate :respec:

amaro
04-02-2011, 09:49 AM
The best ladies' one to me was Tara Lipinski's. Yu-Na's was ...

Perhaps that was so because you are American. It was joyous like crazy to Koreans. Putting how joyous a performance was aside, I think Yuna's performance was just amazing both technically and artistically.

orientalplane
04-02-2011, 10:03 AM
Perhaps that was so because you are American. It was joyous like crazy to Koreans. Putting how joyous a performance was aside, I think Yuna's performance was just amazing both technically and artistically.

I understand what blue_idealist means. Lipinski smiled her way right through that programme, and that's part of what made it so wonderful. But Kim's music called for something rather different, and she interpreted it perfectly by being elegant, sophisticated, cool and serene. If she'd had a permanent grin all the way through the Gershwin Concerto it wouldn't have been appropriate or fitting to the music.

I love both interpretations. They are two of my favourite performances of all time.

floskate
04-02-2011, 10:11 AM
Understood. I think different things inspire each of us as we watch. Taste is so personal.
Top skaters of that era were not particularly speedy. Also, free skates were longer then so you had to pace yourself a bit. Still, I found this performance to be absolutely sublime; he hit the difficult triples of that era, spun in both directions, had wonderful and musical transitions and deployed field moves. Also his back, body line, extension and musical interpretation were all pretty much flawless. That might not bring you out of your seat, but it does for me.

His more modern contemporary would have been Galindo. Some similarities in that jumps, spins, body line where outstanding. Outside of the main elements, though, Galindo's complexity was painfully low, especially in footwork and transitions. He was not that quick around the ice either. Still -- and in part because of his known personal story -- his 96 nationals performance brought people out of their seats with tears in their eyes. I choked up, too...and I'm dead inside :P

John could skate with incredible speed....when he wanted to. His pacing was all down to what the music told him to do. John would never skate fast just for the sake of skating fast, but his mastery of the blade was such that he could make those choices. ITA on everything else you say about his Olympic program.

Not sure I get the Galindo comparison. For his era Rudy had very good position and line, but it pales in comparison to John's. I think Paul Wylie had a much more classic bodyline for example, but Paul was much more of a showy and ''ta-da'' kind of skater. The closest comparison to John's positioning would proably be Rudi Cerne of Germany.

@kwanfan1818, thanks for posting the links to my vids. Regarding a written biography of John, there is an excellent picture book by Keith Money that can often be found on ebay or amazon. Another biography called Black Ice was written after John's death by his former manager Elva Oglanby but John's family took out an injunction and it was withdrawn from sale. I have a copy and they do appear from time to time but often sell for over $100. It's rather tastelessly written and focuses waaay too much on his private life, plus none of it is corroborated or properly referenced. Hopefully someday, someone will write a definitive biography. It's an idea I have toyed with myself actually! :D

blue_idealist
04-02-2011, 01:48 PM
Perhaps that was so because you are American. It was joyous like crazy to Koreans. Putting how joyous a performance was aside, I think Yuna's performance was just amazing both technically and artistically.

I'm actually Canadian.

amaro
04-02-2011, 03:09 PM
I understand what blue_idealist means. Lipinski smiled her way right through that programme, and that's part of what made it so wonderful. But Kim's music called for something rather different, and she interpreted it perfectly by being elegant, sophisticated, cool and serene. If she'd had a permanent grin all the way through the Gershwin Concerto it wouldn't have been appropriate or fitting to the music.

I love both interpretations. They are two of my favourite performances of all time.

Well said.

PUNKPRINCESS
04-02-2011, 03:31 PM
No discussion of the best Olympic performances can be complete without this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSZg9-Af7kU).
I second this absolutely gorgeous, exquisite skate.

let`s talk
04-02-2011, 05:31 PM
It's almost impossible to find clips of specific performances from Vancouver on Youtube - broadcast rights, I guess. The best I can do is a link to the point when Dai went on the ice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEJ_GaDJI0&feature=player_detailpage#t=11257s) for his LP.

Thanks. Other Olympics host broadcasters also have copyrights. But they are just less greedy!:mad:

Rock2
04-02-2011, 05:36 PM
Perhaps that was so because you are American.

You made a valid point about Yu-Na's joy being seen in a different way. I'm sorry you felt the need to throw in this non-value-added dig, which is what I'll take away more than the good sense you brought to the discussion.

I wouldn't put Lipinski at #1 because I found her skate to not have the sophistication of other performances including that of YuNa.

On the "joy" factor between her and YuNa, I did feel that Tara skated without any apparent pressure or weight of expectations. There was a certain liberation in how she skated that YuNa didn't have, especially when you look at their performances earlier in the season. Kim did a fantastic job performing her program under such enormous pressure, but (understandably) I still see she was holding back slightly vs what I saw from that program earlier in the season where we was a little more free in her movement and flirtatious with the audience. Again, stands to reason but her energy dialed down to something more controlled come the Olympic LP whereas Tara stepped it up a notch.

I think what impressed some people about Tara was that she brought her energy up a tad vs earlier season performances in the face of only having a small crack in the door left open by Kwan. She had to be perfect and sell the heck out of her program as her only chance. And she stepped up. Well done, but all in all, not my #1 skate.

Not enough to make Tara #1...but...just my take on the "joy" observation

Rock2
04-02-2011, 05:40 PM
Yes! B/S 2002 SP: sublime. I put that as my #2 skate after M/D 1994 LP. Spellbinding...and whodathunk butter color pants could look so yummy on a guy?

miki88
04-02-2011, 06:13 PM
Ladies:
SP: Michelle's 98 SP & Oskana's 94 SP (she's still the best swan in my opinion)

LP: Janet Lynn's 1972 freeskate and Lu Chen's '98 freeskate
(While these performances aren't technically perfect, they are the most emotional and memorable LP's for me. )

Men:
Yagudin's SP and LP are simply the best!

Pairs:
G & G's performances at their first Olympics

Dance:
Torvill & Dean's Bolero masterpiece.

Jenny81
04-02-2011, 06:43 PM
For me....

Men: 2002 Alexei Yagudin

Ladies: 2010 Yuna Kim

Dance: 2010 Virtue/Moir

I will never forget these great olympic performances as long as I live.

SkateSkates
04-02-2011, 07:45 PM
I wish Kim had skated to Lark Ascending at the Olympics. Now THAT would have been the greatest performance in the Olympics if she executed everything the way she did in her Gershwin program.

skatefan
04-02-2011, 09:09 PM
Ladies:
Dance:
Torvill & Dean's Bolero masterpiece.

Torvill & Dean's Bolero 2011 version skated live last weekend :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nBkpHbGlEU

And even a flying version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0dztpHKUMU&feature=related

amaro
04-02-2011, 10:24 PM
You made a valid point about Yu-Na's joy being seen in a different way. I'm sorry you felt...

No, I may be being blunt, but nationality (or emotional proximity to a skater) does and should affect how a viewer feels about a skater's performance, particularly about ones in the Olympics where nationalism and medal counting is a big part of it.

For the rest of your comment, I defer to orientalplane's post. To add my thought to it, Yuna's performance to the abstract jazz piece was more mature, subtle and sophisticated than Tara's bubbly and innocent performance to Rainbow, which was a bit juniorish (being 15) to today's standards but still age appropriate and nice. I would still pick Yuna's performance over Tara's because to me it is much more significant in terms of both artistry and technicality.