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Allskate
03-24-2011, 05:25 AM
I don't think it was about merely kissing a guy for Adam. I saw his performance and it left a bad taste in my mouth. If he had just kissed a guy it would have been non issue for me. But he was trying to be outrageous on purpose. The worst part was for me was him faking fingering a woman. I mean, come on. Do I need to see that on stage? No.

I hated it how they explained the whole controversy by people being homophobic. :rolleyes: Instead of wooing people with his voice, Adam decided to be be memorable by being outrageous. To blame the negative feedback on him being gay is a cop-out.

I'm sure some people were outraged because he kissed a guy. But to see how many and how much, do just that and nothing else. I know I've never seen anyone else faking fingering a woman in a concert on national TV.

ITA. But, having said that, I still think what Chris Brown did was far more offensive. Not just with Rhianna, but losing it after the interview, smashing the window, and essentially committing a criminal act.

genevieve
03-24-2011, 06:11 AM
Chris Brown Melts Down After Tough 'Good Morning America' Interview (http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/amplifier/88717/chris-brown-melts-down-after-tough-good-morning-america-interview/)


I know this is petty - but from the picture it would appear that Chris Brown has a shrug tattooed onto him. That's just weird :lol:

cailuj365
03-24-2011, 06:12 AM
I don't think it was about merely kissing a guy for Adam. I saw his performance and it left a bad taste in my mouth. If he had just kissed a guy it would have been non issue for me. But he was trying to be outrageous on purpose. The worst part was for me was him faking fingering a woman. I mean, come on. Do I need to see that on stage? No.

I hated it how they explained the whole controversy by people being homophobic. :rolleyes: Instead of wooing people with his voice, Adam decided to be be memorable by being outrageous. To blame the negative feedback on him being gay is a cop-out.

I'm sure some people were outraged because he kissed a guy. But to see how many and how much, do just that and nothing else. I know I've never seen anyone else faking fingering a woman in a concert on national TV.

We're not debating how people felt about Adam's performance though. What he did was very controversial in this country, divided a lot of his fans, and also was technically against FCC rules. This is a fact. He was punished for said performance by being canceled on GMA, Jimmy Kimmel Live, and Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve. Okay. As much as I love Adam, he had it coming.

Chris Brown gets angry that the reporter asked him about him beating Rihanna even though he was informed of what topics would be brought up before hand, throws a tantrum in the green room, and smashes a window, sending glass down onto the sidewalk below where it could have potentially hurt passerbys. However, Chris Brown gets invited back to the show and the reporter "absolutely wishes him the best"! WTF??? I think the posters were expressing their dislike for GMA's crazy double standard.

By the way, Brown apologized (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/chris-brown-apologizes-robin-roberts-bet-106-park/story?id=13200434&page=1) for the incident. There are also rumors that his upcoming appearance on Dancing With the Stars may get canceled.

And also, I guarantee you that Adam's performance would never have gotten the amount of publicity or outrage if it weren't for the gay parts. That's what ABC both cut away from and censored when they realized what he was doing, which then signaled to everyone watching on TV that what he was doing was not acceptable for viewing. That's what CBS censored when they interviewed him the next day. Homophobia is absolutely what made that controversy a controversy, and it's not a cop-out to say so, IMO. That's the last I'll say about this as it's getting off-topic for this thread.

WindSpirit
03-24-2011, 06:14 AM
ITA. But, having said that, I still think what Chris Brown did was far more offensive. Not just with Rhianna, but losing it after the interview, smashing the window, and essentially committing a criminal act. That goes without saying, I think.

WindSpirit
03-24-2011, 06:49 AM
Homophobia is absolutely what made that controversy a controversy, and it's not a cop-out to say so, IMO. So you think if he had done all those things to women only, there would not have been a controversy? The only controversial part was him kissing a guy? If so, I don't agree.

Displaying such overly sexual behavior on stage on national TV would be still controversial, no matter what genders the people involved were. It's not like it was the first controversy ever.

I'm not homophobic, nor am I a prude and I think simulating fingering someone on stage on national TV is way over the top. There is a place and time for everything. That wasn't it.

cailuj365
03-24-2011, 07:00 AM
So you think if he had done all those things to women only, there would not have been a controversy? The only controversial part was him kissing a guy? If so, I don't agree.

Displaying such overly sexual behavior on stage on national TV would be still controversial, no matter what genders the people involved were. It's not like it was the first controversy ever.

I'm not homophobic, nor am I a prude and I think simulating fingering someone on stage on national TV is way over the top. There is a place and time for everything. That wasn't it.

PM-ing you. In short, I think there would have been a minor controversy, but nothing like the attention that it did receive.

RubyLaRhumba
03-24-2011, 01:53 PM
I think Chris Brown spent a few years trying to make people believe he had changed & that his anger was a horrible one-shot instance. The GMA meltdown tells me he has learned nothing and that a timebomb is what he chooses to be.

Andora
03-24-2011, 02:44 PM
So you think if he had done all those things to women only, there would not have been a controversy? The only controversial part was him kissing a guy? If so, I don't agree.

Displaying such overly sexual behavior on stage on national TV would be still controversial, no matter what genders the people involved were. It's not like it was the first controversy ever.

I'm not homophobic, nor am I a prude and I think simulating fingering someone on stage on national TV is way over the top. There is a place and time for everything. That wasn't it.

I can understand taking issue with such an overtly sexual performance, and I don't think you are homophobic. But aside from you, I think there is a double standard, somewhat. There have been other performances that have run the raunchy gamut, and while some may have complained, I don't remember there being *quite* the fallout as there was with Adam's AMA performance. I'm thinking of Madonna at the VMAs where she kissed both Britney and Christina. Maybe that slipped by because it's what we expect from Madonna? It wouldn't be her first provocative performance, for sure. Britney herself has raised various eye brows over the years, as well.

Maybe Adam's AMA performance ranked too high on the raunch-o-meter and that's why he faced such consequences. Maybe I don't remember Madonna being dropped from future appearances for that specific VMA piece. (I know she has for other situations, such as her Like A Prayer video) But I don't know, it seems like there was a bit more to Adam being cancelled than an explicitly sexual performance.

This whole forgiveness of Chris Brown while others are condemned for less makes me angry. Kanye continues to receive more flack for an incredibly rude and obnoxious moment that really didn't hurt Taylor Swift (or her career), while convicted abuser Chris Brown is invited a number of public performances. Here's hoping Rihanna's career continues to out pace his. :P

orbitz
03-24-2011, 03:02 PM
There have been other performances that have run the raunchy gamut, and while some may have complained, I don't remember there being *quite* the fallout as there was with Adam's AMA performance. I'm thinking of Madonna at the VMAs where she kissed both Britney and Christina. Maybe that slipped by because it's what we expect from Madonna? It wouldn't be her first provocative performance, for sure. Britney herself has raised various eye brows over the years, as well.


Madonna's "raunchy" performances were done on MTV, a paid cable show. She wouldn't have gotten away with some of her acts if she did them on one of the major networks and did it as a total surprise to the people involved in producing the shows on the networks.

antmanb
03-24-2011, 04:07 PM
I don't think it was about merely kissing a guy for Adam. I saw his performance and it left a bad taste in my mouth. If he had just kissed a guy it would have been non issue for me. But he was trying to be outrageous on purpose. The worst part was for me was him faking fingering a woman. I mean, come on. Do I need to see that on stage? No.

I hated it how they explained the whole controversy by people being homophobic. :rolleyes: Instead of wooing people with his voice, Adam decided to be be memorable by being outrageous. To blame the negative feedback on him being gay is a cop-out.

I'm sure some people were outraged because he kissed a guy. But to see how many and how much, do just that and nothing else. I know I've never seen anyone else faking fingering a woman in a concert on national TV.


I just looked this up on youtube as I had not heard about it and I wouldn't have known he'd kissed a guy if it wasn't for the commentary - it was quite a long shot when he started kissing the person and I had no idea what sex the person was just from watching.

I also missed the fake fingering a woman. As to whether it's been done before or not, does Madonna doing it to herself during "like a virgin" on the blonde ambition tour count?

The most offensive thing about Adam Lambert is the oompla loompa orange skin :shuffle:

cailuj365
03-24-2011, 06:20 PM
Russell Simmons thinks Chris Brown needs a life coach. I agree.

skatemommy
03-24-2011, 07:58 PM
^ or jail time to actually be held responsible for his actions...

manleywoman
03-24-2011, 08:02 PM
^ Exactly.

venja
03-24-2011, 08:05 PM
Chris' explanation (http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/03/chris-brown-apologizes-for-gma-outburst-i-just-wanted-to-release-the-anger.html)

"I apologize, but... blah blah blah blah."

In addition to a life coach, Chris Brown needs a good PR person and a better manager (sorry Mom, it seems like you failed as a manager and a mother).

orbitz
03-24-2011, 09:03 PM
Not fair to immediately blame the parents for their children, especially adult children, actions.