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Asli
04-16-2011, 09:11 PM
:eek:
If it happens it will be the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life.

I still have hope that "sold out" means that a certain quota is sold out and not all tickets. :(

dinakt
04-16-2011, 09:14 PM
I still have hope that "sold out" means that a certain quota is sold out and not all of it. :(

I strongly suspect that is the case. They seem to release a limited number of ticket, but regularly. That leads people to spend days near the computers, hunting for tickets. I know of many successes, but at the price of time and nerves.

Shlepa
04-16-2011, 09:21 PM
B21-24 were sold on parter.ru yesterday. And C21-24, A21-24 were sold on Khodynka today.

Asli
04-16-2011, 09:36 PM
If one want to stand in line 10x, as long as it takes, and pay the official price..... one can buy 10 tickets and sell them. It's person's time money invested and if he/she followed a legitimate purchasing process... then he/she is allowed to make a profit on re-selling what has been legitimately obtained.


Those people do not only invest their own time and money. They also prevent others who want to attend the championships from buying tickets at the normal price. This is why the organizers of events in high demand limit the number of tickets per person.

Buying tickets and reselling for five times the price to people who have waited in the queue but haven't been able to buy tickets is not illegal, but it isn't a legitimate service either. It doesn't add any value, it doesn't make life easier for anyone, quite the contrary. So while it is inevitable, it is not as laudable an example of entrepreneurship as you make it sound.


a) "Soviets" and "products of post soviet mentality" always looked down on "trade" and "broker svs"..... .

I don't know a lot about life in the former Soviet Union. However, having lived elsewhere through times when goods were scarce, I am pretty sure that the blackmarket had flourished there. ;)

dinakt
04-16-2011, 09:37 PM
B21-24 were sold on parter.ru yesterday. And C21-24, A21-24 were sold on Khodynka today.

I hope that, as you said before, more lower bowl tickets are released when they are not taken by various organizations. If you have any inside info about when it might happen, let us know:) I am not going myself, but have lots of friends in Russia who are hoping to attend and hunting the lower bowl tickets like they are made of diamonds.

Asli
04-16-2011, 09:40 PM
I strongly suspect that is the case. They seem to release a limited number of ticket, but regularly. That leads people to spend days near the computers, hunting for tickets. I know of many successes, but at the price of time and nerves.

It's a little different here. Usually most tickets are available right away.

dinakt
04-16-2011, 09:48 PM
It's a little different here. Usually most tickets are available right away.

Where "here"? I am in the US:)( though Russian- born)
Because I do not plan far in advance, I often buy very good tickets for skating events ( US and Canada) at the last moment ( month in advance to days in advance). Inevitably there are some great tickets released at the last moment. But it's always a gamble, and if one has to travel internationally, it becomes a big problem... I have zero inside info, but it seems very likely that the best tickets are being held in case different organizations/ insiders claim them, and some are likely to be released at the last moment.

Asli
04-16-2011, 09:51 PM
Where "here"? I am in the US:)( though Russian- born)


Sorry. France. I was talking about the rythmic gymnastics world championships in France as an example of how fast the tickets can go even before being put on sale.

dinakt
04-16-2011, 09:52 PM
Sorry. France. I was talking about the rythmic gymnastics world championships in France as an example of how fast the tickets can go even before being put on sale.

Got it, thanks.

let`s talk
04-17-2011, 05:27 AM
Have you heard about Murzilka magazine? Or Vogue? .............. Did I miss something? Is it supposed to be world championships in St.Pete on the 2nd?
Ah, pardon. I was under the wrong impression that you work in sport journalism or somesuch, not for some kids' papers. Otherwise you would know that the Worlds' participants gala will be held in St-Petersburg on May 2.

It is information from the people, who works in Megasport rink.
So, in "C3 reserved for Megasport" you meant it's reserved for the rink's employees? :lol: That sucks. I was actually hoping that it is those real and not fake tickets for sector C that are available on the site with Yuna for 7,000 roubles per a ticket on the Russian page or 500 euros on the English (btw, yesteday it was 10,000 and 650 accordingly, looks like the prices of illegal resellers started going down). Now you took my last hope (sarcasm). :D

There is no law that says... In fact there is. You just don't know. Selling any goods and services without registration and/or special permit is a crime under the Criminal Code of the Russian federation, the one that has nothing to do with the Soviets. What an asset the country lost in your face. I just see how you are dealing in Khodynka :hat1: and setting prices based on the customer's jewelry and outfit.

Inevitably there are some great tickets released at the last moment. But it's always a gamble, and if one has to travel internationally, it becomes a big problem... True. Yesterday buddies in Moscow could buy in Khodynka the tickets for A, the second level somewhere under the ceiling. If I had no one in the city... But I don't want to sit somewhere under the ceiling. I still hope that normal tickets will see the daylight. But yes, it's a gambling. Very bad organization. :mad:

Tinami Amori
04-17-2011, 07:12 AM
- In fact there is (a law which prevents from re-selling/selling tickets).
You just don't know. Selling any goods and services without registration and/or special permit is a crime under the Criminal Code of the Russian federation, the one that has nothing to do with the Soviets.
- What an asset the country lost in your face.
- I just see how you are dealing in Khodynka :hat1: and setting prices based on the customer's jewelry and outfit.

Oh, where do I begin…… :D.

In Russia “re-sale permit/license” is not required for (out of a long list):
- personal belongings (a set of tickets can be viewed as such) from private hands into private hands.
- Tickets/tokens for public and private wheeled transport, internet-cards, pre-paid plastic telephone cards, tickets to theater, sports and other entertainment events, and exhibitions.

In Russia a license/re-sale permit is required for most product offered in “retail sales” – в розничной торговле.

But a “ticket” or an “action of selling a ticket” is not considered “розничная торговля” (not a “retail sale”) – because the “subject of sale” (предмет продажи) is not the ticket it self but the Event. Certain events do require a license to organize. But the “paper aka ticket” does not.

“License/Permit” is required to print or issue tickets, because tickets are considered ЗПП - защищенная печатная продукция (an item printed on protected paper stock) – given that “the ticket” is also used for accounting purposes and paper used can be considered “БСО” – Бланк Строгой Отчетности – protected/unique/controlled paper stock.

Russian Legal Code has decriminalized “speculation activities” quite a while ago. (Speculation – meaning buying low selling high, buying by legally allowed methods). It is not illegal to stand in line 10 times to buy 10 tickets… :D.

As far as “Russia lost me as an asset”….. It (Russia) has not lost me…. :lol:…. it (Russia) gained me right back on Nov. 2001, me and all the JVs (CП) that came with me… :D.

As far as “dress and jewelry” – I don’t judge girls by dress and jewelry – I judge girls HOW they got their “dress and jewelry”. bye bye mein lieber herr…… :lol:


Buying tickets and reselling for five times the price to people who have waited in the queue but haven't been able to buy tickets is not illegal, but it isn't a legitimate service either. It doesn't add any value, it doesn't make life easier for anyone, quite the contrary. So while it is inevitable, it is not as laudable an example of entrepreneurship as you make it sound.
That’s a moral judgment. I was addressing the legality of such activity.

let`s talk
04-17-2011, 08:32 AM
re-sale permit/license License and registration are two different papers. While license is mandatory for the activities established by law, registration is mandatory for any legal entity, including sole businesses. Guess why- to get a taxation number and share their profits with the State. Everything that is beyond that is either a crime or an administrative offence, depends on the damage. A little funny to see how you are defending those shapochka-guys with guns. :confused:

personal belongings (a set of tickets can be viewed as such) :lol: yeah, like your passport.

Russian Legal Code :eek: What's that? And is there such a thing as Illegal Code? :rofl: There is no law with the title "Russian Legal Code." Maybe the one that is in your head in fact decriminalized some stuff. But the Criminal Code of Russia, as well as the Code of Administartive Offences, together with the Civil Code, etc. are all fine and well.

Fashionista
04-17-2011, 11:59 AM
]Ah, pardon. I was under the wrong impression
Looks like it's true for the number of things you're trying to write about.


Otherwise you would know that the Worlds' participants gala will be held in St-Petersburg on May 2.
Yep, very random participants aka Russian team + several foreigners based in Russia. I don't get how you can compare these two events:blah:

allezfred
04-17-2011, 12:04 PM
Well, this thread is over 1000 posts and has run its course in so many different ways so I'm closing it down. Any more threads about Moscow Worlds should be started in the Worlds forum in the Kiss & Cry Section.