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sk9tingfan
03-22-2011, 06:38 PM
The ultimate question as to what the ISU must do into return in order to procure a non-cost bid came up between me and my skating fan friends. Was it in return for the reinstatement of Evgeniy Plushenko so that he could skate in Sochi?
At a minimum it is barter and gives new meaning to the term, "human capital".:eek:

millipied
03-22-2011, 06:39 PM
Let the conspiracies begin.

sk9tingfan
03-22-2011, 06:44 PM
Let the conspiracies begin.

Not conspiracies but the reality of politics and negotiation. After all, Russia has to get something out of this besides whatever revenue flows they might generate from attendance to offset the $5 million+ price tag.

You might be saying that I am being jaded, and perhaps I am, but I'm also being realistic.

Stephanie
03-22-2011, 06:45 PM
Absolutely - and thanks for the back-up...because any US citizen who has tried to enter Russia as an 'independent tourist' knows this. Maybe EU citizens have it easier.


I'm a US citizen and went last year (independently) and everything was pretty easy. Provided that you're staying at a hotel (which most tourists do) the hotel registers you which means giving them your passport for about 15 minutes. As for the invitation, there are plenty of travel agencies that will issue you an invitation, take care of delivering and picking up your passport and application from the consulate, and proof read your application for you, all for about $50.

millipied
03-22-2011, 06:54 PM
Not conspiracies but the reality of politics and negotiation. After all, Russia has to get something out of this besides whatever revenue flows they might generate from attendance to offset the $5 million+ price tag.

You might be saying that I am being jaded, and perhaps I am, but I'm also being realistic.

Realistic of what? What negotiation? Were you part of any?
I just wonder what kind of deal Croatia is trying to make?

smartblade
03-22-2011, 07:04 PM
If travelling lets remember that the event is in 5 weeks, its spring time, good luck finding cheap accomodations and cheap flights! in addition to completing travel documentation where necessary on time, approval of time off from employment.

I think when putin says its relatively inexpensive it because 5 million+ to host the event is nothing compared to the 36 billion+ (US) they are spending on the 2014 sochi olympics and the estimated 5 billion for the 2017 confederation/2018 world cup(remember sochi's original estimated costs were only 6 billion)

Frau Muller
03-22-2011, 07:45 PM
I'm a US citizen and went last year (independently) and everything was pretty easy. Provided that you're staying at a hotel (which most tourists do) the hotel registers you which means giving them your passport for about 15 minutes. .....

Moscow Hotels are among the most expensive on earth. (See US Dept of State Per Diem rates: RUSSIA Moscow Lodging $308 + M&IE (meals & incidentals, 1 day)$115 = $423 .) When I travel independently, it means home stays or renting apartments. To do that in Russia, must have a Home Stay Visa, which is a hassle.

RobinA
03-22-2011, 07:50 PM
I am :rofl: at someone suggesting that tours are cheaper and most people travel to Worlds in tour groups.
I never join tour groups because I can always find a better, much more cheaper and more agreeable way myself.
Yes, sometimes it takes a bit of organizing and hassle which some people seem to be to spoiled to but don't impose your standards on the rest of us. ;)

Lord, who would say this? I started out in tour groups to get the hang of it. Enjoyed them a lot, but weaned myself when the Worlds in Washington price came through at something like 4,000+. I cancelled and ended up spending around $1500 without even trying to go budget. After that I went myself, saved a ton, got perfectly fine seats and nice hotels close to the arena. I'd pay a little bit for no-hassle, but they priced themselves out of my existence.

Judy
03-22-2011, 07:51 PM
I hope there are no deals being made either. There shouldn't be but let's cross our fingers. I'd rather have no worlds then go back to corruption or even the perception of corruption.

Frau Muller
03-22-2011, 07:53 PM
My heart skipped a beat when I clicked on that link and saw Pluschenko :eek:

Please don't let a Pluschenko reinstatement be a thank you to Russia for hosting this event :yikes:;)

Exactly as I mentioned earlier in my half-joking post about Piseev and his Alfa Bank withdrawals. :lol: Maybe not Plushy's reinstatement but, say, perhaps we will see the 'sudden surprise gold medals' for Bobrova/Soloviev...or a podium placement for Artur Gashinksy? If there are clear winners, dirty doings cannot happen, but if things are really close....:scream:

With Russia's generous offer it will be a bit tougher to question Piseev's games, if games do happen.

Even with that - it's preferable to have a Worlds anywhere, than to not have one. Even if a sekret camera catches Piseev tapping his foot behind the Caller (Tech Specialist)!

Bottom Line: What matters most is to have a Worlds 2011!

ponta1
03-22-2011, 08:05 PM
Exactly as I mentioned earlier in my half-joking post about Piseev and his Alfa Bank withdrawals. :lol: Maybe not Plushy's reinstatement but, say, perhaps we will see the 'sudden surprise gold medals' for Bobrova/Soloviev...or a podium placement for Artur Gashinksy? If there are clear winners, dirty doings cannot happen, but if things are really close....:scream:

With Russia's generous offer it will be a bit tougher to question Piseev's games, if games do happen.

Even with that - it's preferable to have a Worlds anywhere, than to not have one. Even if a sekret camera catches Piseev tapping his foot behind the Caller (Tech Specialist)!

Russia (and other countries) have stepped up and graciously offered to host the championships. Can we stop with these insinuations of "dirty doings", and just be grateful to Russia and the others? The championships haven't even started yet, and already we have conspiracy theories going on!

darya_russian
03-22-2011, 08:05 PM
Does anybody know if there are any other big sporting events that Eurosport may have contracts with during that proposed week in April?

Giro d'Italia and French Open which will be aired in full on Eurosport don't start until May 7th and May 17th respectively. Thank goodness.

Snooker World championship is from April 16th till May 2nd. They usually show it on both Eurosport and Eurosport2.
I hope they'll find time to show figure skating though.

I'd love it if they decide to hold Worlds in Moscow :)

Mevrouw
03-22-2011, 08:12 PM
If Russia takes on the 'minor expense" to host the Worlds, what are the odds that, within 6 months, Plushy is reinstated to compete in ISU events up to and including Sochi OG? :lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Frau Muller
03-22-2011, 08:15 PM
Russia (and other countries) have stepped up and graciously offered to host the championships. Can we stop with these insinuations of "dirty doings", and just be grateful to Russia and the others? The championships haven't even started yet, and already we have conspiracy theories going on!

Uh....you selectively clipped my last sentence of that post in which I state that, in the end, I can put up with any Piseev Games because what matters is that there is a Worlds 2011. I think that we can all agree on that.

VALuvsMKwan
03-22-2011, 08:16 PM
If Russia takes on the 'minor expense" to host the Worlds, what are the odds that, within 6 months, Plushy is reinstated to compete in ISU events up to and including Sochi OG? :lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Quid pro quo, Dr. Speedy? :slinkaway