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Justathoughtabl
03-17-2011, 12:28 PM
But it happens all the time in job interviews - people make those value judgments all the time about people when they go to hire them. If we equate the hardware to a written CV, someone else has said that every male on the cast of SOI has more hardware than Johnny, so if it boils down to skating, personality and likeability all of those things would have to be better than someone with more hardware to justify the hire. If someone has made very public PR blunders or holds controversial views (like loving fur) then as an employer wanting things to go smoothly, who would you hire?
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I personally think Johnny and SOI are not a good match, and I think Johnny feels the same way. I think he'd prefer to do shows in Russia and Japan and one-off shows in the U.S. But I will say that in my opinion, "Twittergate" was much worse than anything Johnny has said. I'll also say that Johnny is a great skater, since some people seem to be implying that he's not. Johnny loses his head during competitions, kind of like Jeremy Abbott. But he's capable of amazing, gorgeous skating that has left more than one person breathless. And to those who say he's quadless, put Fred Astaire in an athletic dance contest, and he'd probably lose to Gene Kelly. But he's Fred Astaire and there's no one like him.

Jenny
03-17-2011, 01:21 PM
And as far as that show being a team, it's not really. They can call themselves anything they like but one's performance does not affect anothers'.

They do more group numbers, but it's the off-ice atmosphere that has always made SOI a team, or family. I don't know what it's like now, but in the 90s and into the 2000s, the cast members (and much of the crew) were good friends as well as colleagues. Tara messed up the dynamic and they learned their lesson - and that, IMO, is the number one reason why Johnny was never in SOI.

As for these constant :blah: comparisons of Johnny to Evan, I have to ask why? On the ice when directly competing against each other, sure, but why is it that Johnny fans, and apparently Johnny himself, constantly bring up Evan and his image and his non-competitive career and his clothes and his behaviour and everything else?

If Johnny is supposed to be so unique and one-of-a-kind, shouldn't he be beyond compare to Evan or anyone else?

These same old discussions are so :yawn:

REO
03-17-2011, 01:32 PM
What did Tara do that mesed up the balance? I wasn't arounds then.

Justathoughtabl
03-17-2011, 02:02 PM
As for these constant :blah: comparisons of Johnny to Evan, I have to ask why? On the ice when directly competing against each other, sure, but why is it that Johnny fans, and apparently Johnny himself, constantly bring up Evan and his image and his non-competitive career and his clothes and his behaviour and everything else?


I don't know who you're referring to here, but as for me, the only reason i brought up Evan was because I don't understand why Johnny seems to be so picked on all the time when other skaters do questionable things (like Evan and Twittergate). I know a little bit about Evan and he's pretty well loved here, and I don't understand why Johnny doesn't get any of that love (aside from a few posters) when both of them (and probably many more skaters) are far from being saints. Johnny is always pulled out as being the trouble maker, the drama queen, the one who is not a team player. But he's just like all the others. He has his good and bad qualities. The constant bashing of Johnny gets old too.

Jenny
03-17-2011, 02:09 PM
Johnny is always pulled out as being the trouble maker, the drama queen, the one who is not a team player.

Because unlike other skaters, Johnny actively promotes this image.

Jenny
03-17-2011, 02:14 PM
What did Tara do that mesed up the balance? I wasn't arounds then.

Sorry for the double post - IIRC, Tara was added the tour almost automatically, as the new OGM and latest in a long line of American ice princesses. The problem was, she was still very young and AFAIK had a hard time fitting into the well-established SOI family. It sounded like a gulf was created between her and the rest of the cast because on the one hand she wasn't fitting into their little group, and on the other, she was being coddled because she was young and got star treatment as the show's headliner. She ended up bringing a friend on the tour just to keep her company. There were several meltdowns and backstage dramas along the way, and it was a rough time - and it didn't help that it was around the time the post-whack wave was starting to falter and SOI had to start looking at itself critically, when previously it had been relatively smooth sailing for them.

manleywoman
03-17-2011, 03:13 PM
He was chosen to be the subject of a documentary and tv show (even Michelle did not get that attention)

Reality TV didn't exist to the degree it does now when Michelle was big. Plus . . . as much as I love her . . . her personality is way too vanilla for TV.

manleywoman
03-17-2011, 03:18 PM
BTW, @manleywoman: Thanks for responding to my earlier queries about the interview with Johnny's agent, Tara. :) Do you recall who the skater was that you previously interviewed prior to eligible retirement?

Navarro/Bommentre. THe interview was fine because they were older, at the end of their careers, and both insightful, so they could put perspective on themselves. But after that I just made a blanket decision that I wanted to focus on retired skaters. I just don't think my style of interviewing works well with amateur skaters who are too in the myopia of their day-to-day training to necessarily look at the overall picture and where they fit into the history and progression of the sport. Plus there are plenty of outlets that interview current amateur skaters and do it well. I just know my niche.

Southpaw
03-17-2011, 03:29 PM
I just know my niche.

Somebody's gotta look out for the old farts! :cheer:

antmanb
03-17-2011, 03:29 PM
I personally think Johnny and SOI are not a good match, and I think Johnny feels the same way. I think he'd prefer to do shows in Russia and Japan and one-off shows in the U.S. But I will say that in my opinion, "Twittergate" was much worse than anything Johnny has said. I'll also say that Johnny is a great skater, since some people seem to be implying that he's not. Johnny loses his head during competitions, kind of like Jeremy Abbott. But he's capable of amazing, gorgeous skating that has left more than one person breathless. And to those who say he's quadless, put Fred Astaire in an athletic dance contest, and he'd probably lose to Gene Kelly. But he's Fred Astaire and there's no one like him.

I agree I don't think SOI and Johnny are a good much as well so I'm always left amazed at all the belly-aching some people make about it.

I think he has been a breath taking skater and I would be the first to get tickets if he is ever in a show in the UK.

I think a discussion of quads is pretty much irrelevant at this stage because he's unlikely to compete again.

REO
03-17-2011, 04:19 PM
Well I certainly agree that this poor old horse has been beaten to death. AND I agree that Johnny and SOI are a bad match. Certainly at this late date anyway. My problem is just with those who keep saying he would not be cooperative and would try to make the show all about him. Where do they get this stuff? Johnny's "diva-ness" is all about being campy and funny. To compare him and Naomi Campbell, who is actually abusive to people, is really a stretch! He's friends with Plush, Stephane, Dai, Oda, Brian and most of the girls and the list goes on. To me it looks like the Europeans and the Asians think he's fine. It's only a cadre American males who have a wild hair somewhere about him.

Justathoughtabl
03-17-2011, 04:26 PM
Johnny just wrote this message to his Japanese fans. I hope it's okay for me to copy it here. http://ameblo.jp/torgappa/


I am very sad that I have to write these words, but it is now a situation where I can't not write them. My heart and my tears are with Japan in this dark hour and I am constantly with you in spirit.

Since my first knowledge of Japan as a child, I have understood that Japan is a nation of strong, intelligent

and orderly people. Having traveled to Japan numerous times now as an adult, I can say that the impression I had of Japan as a child, still remains true. Japan has such a special ability to be the most inviting country in the world, but at the same time so strong as a nation in upholding national culture and tradition. Japan's ability to fight through any circumstance, and her peoples abilities to remain calm and quietly push against any foe to achieve a maximum result are things that I have been inspired by on so many occasions.

Through tragedy, Japan has been able to rise from the ashes like a phoenix, and prove to the world that she is great and powerful and can overcome any obstacle. I believe this historical statement still to be true, even in this time of uncertainty and in a time of apocalypse. I believe that the people of Japan will defeat this natural disaster, and will come out shining, as they always do.

I have never felt the same support and love from any nation, like I do in Japan. For all these years when Japan has rooted for me, lifted me up and given me wings, I have never understood how to say thank you or show you my appreciation, but now I hope this note can lift your spirits, and make you strong. I would never have become who I am without the support of your nation, and I support you full heartedly now.

I will do as much as I possibly can to help from my side of the planet, and I urge everyone in Japan to help your fellow countrymen and foreigners who are in Japan at this time. The world is with you, the world is behind you, and we believe in you.

I am thankful to God as we get word that many of my fans and friends have made it out of this tragedy as survivors, but my heart sinks with every day we don't hear from someone or bad news comes our way.
Be strong, angels will protect you. "This too shall pass."

Japan I love you, I miss you and I will be with you very soon.

I pray for you every day and I believe in you.

Ganbatte!!!!!

-Johnny

antmanb
03-17-2011, 04:30 PM
Well I certainly agree that this poor old horse has been beaten to death. AND I agree that Johnny and SOI are a bad match. Certainly at this late date anyway. My problem is just with those who keep saying he would not be cooperative and would try to make the show all about him. Where do they get this stuff? Johnny's "diva-ness" is all about being campy and funny. To compare him and Naomi Campbell, who is actually abusive to people, is really a stretch! He's friends with Plush, Stephane, Dai, Oda, Brian and most of the girls and the list goes on. To me it looks like the Europeans and the Asians think he's fine. It's only a cadre American males who have a wild hair somewhere about him.

I never said he would be uncooperative and I never said he would try to make the show all about him. I simply said when considering him for being an employee I would hire anyone but him. He's been very public about his dislike of authority and his rebelious nature....that is not someone worth hiring to my mind.

I used Naomi Campbell as an example of someone who seems to nurture her own diva-press and embraces it (a lot like Johnny), but also as an example of someone who has to do her job so much better than her competitors that people still hire her despite the percevied problems, something Johnny, unfortunately for him, has not managed to do in figure skating, but may well manage in other areas.

Justathoughtabl
03-17-2011, 06:01 PM
I never said he would be uncooperative and I never said he would try to make the show all about him. I simply said when considering him for being an employee I would hire anyone but him. He's been very public about his dislike of authority and his rebelious nature....that is not someone worth hiring to my mind. I used Naomi Campbell as an example of someone who seems to nurture her own diva-press and embraces it (a lot like Johnny), but also as an example of someone who has to do her job so much better than her competitors that people still hire her despite the percevied problems, something Johnny, unfortunately for him, has not managed to do in figure skating, but may well manage in other areas.


Can you please give a few examples of how Johnny embraces diva-ness? Liking fashion really isn't a valid example. Where Johnny does rebel, he seems to have good reason, and I've never heard of him rebelling on a tour. It's usually against FSU rules about clothing, is it not? Is that such a huge deal?

Jenny
03-17-2011, 06:08 PM
Can you please give a few examples of how Johnny embraces diva-ness? Liking fashion really isn't a valid example. Where Johnny does rebel, he seems to have good reason, and I've never heard of him rebelling on a tour. It's usually against FSU rules about clothing, is it not? Is that such a huge deal?

How about his own stories about the Olympic Village in Vancouver and hotels? IIRC he didn't have very good things to say about Lake Placid, which of course is practically the hometown of SOI.