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Lexxandra
10-09-2012, 01:41 PM
If he optimizes this program, it could be:
4T / 10.3
3A / 8.5
3F / 5.3
StSq3 / 3.3
FCSp4 / 3.2
3Lo x / 5.61
3A-2T x / 10.78
3Lz x / 6.60
3Lz-3T-2T x / 12.54
3S x / 4.62
CSSp3 / 2.6
ChSq1 / 2.0
CCoSp4 / 3.5
Total BV = 78.85
You forgot the third combo. I changed jumps according to his planned content for FS in Finland, and got this:

4T+2T / 11.6
3A / 8.5
3F / 5.3
StSq3 / 3.3
FCSp4 / 3.2
3Lo x / 5.61
3A+3T+2Lo x / 15.84
3Lz+2T x / 8.03
3Lz x / 6.60
3S x / 4.62
CSSp3 / 2.6
ChSq1 / 2.0
CCoSp4 / 3.5
Total BV = 80.70

BittyBug
10-09-2012, 04:05 PM
You forgot the third combo. Oops. :lol:

As far as the other two are concerned, you get to the same point total doing the 3T with the lutz as with the axel, so I'm not sure why he would ever put it with the axel as the lutz is his best jump. I guess if he plans it earlier he'd have a 2nd chance if something happens with the axel and he can get the 3T in.

judiz
10-12-2012, 01:29 AM
new article about Johnny's return to competition



http://www.goldenskate.com/2012/10/weir-rearing-to-get-back-into-dog-and-pony-show/

aftershocks
10-12-2012, 08:43 PM
^^ Re that link, don't they mean "Weir raring to get back ..."

From the Evan comeback thread:



Why anyone thinks Johnny is likely to play decently enough at Worlds to help the U.S regain 3 spots at this point is beyond me. Skating his best in Vancouver he came 6th when the caliber of skating was much lower than now. Even with his usual mediocre and dissapointing Worlds perforamnces Abbott would probably place as high or higher at this point. Dornbush would probably place higher than Johnny at Worlds at this point too. With any team the U.S is unlikely to get 3 spots though unless someone like Abbott surprises by performing better than usual at Worlds.

I know it makes no difference in the minds of many, but Johnny was out of favor politically with the U.S. practically his entire career. So how do you think international judges were going to generally treat him? They weren’t always fair because Johnny wasn’t always favorably promoted or advocated for by his fed! Of course Johnny also failed himself sometimes too (particularly in his 2006 Olympics fp – altho’ his sp will forever remain iconic). Johnny’s failures IMO tended to go against him in a way that was so much worse than how his competitors’ mistakes were viewed.

In any case, no matter how well Johnny performed at 2010 Olympics, the international judges obviously had him pegged for 6th place. It was a travesty for Johnny to be placed behind both Chan and Lambiel at 2010 Olympics!!! Part of the bad rap for Johnny in that Olympics was his having responded to the media re the Inman “transitions” email. Johnny skated on a par with both Evan and Dai, IMO, and he also skated better than Plush at 2010 Olympics. When they think of Johnny, some people just honestly can't get past their personal prejudices toward him re his persona, his mouth, his sexual orientation, his rebelliousness, his costumes, his fur, his nerve to rock who he is in everyone's face. The famous “gender” comments by Canadian broadcasters during 2010 Olympics actually enhanced Johnny’s international reputation publicity-wise, because of how kickin’ genuinely he responded. It has been Johnny's post-2010 success beyond the skating world that has largely allowed him to be welcomed back. "If you can't ignore him, well bring him back into the fold. If nothing else, he sells tickets and brings buzz." Remains to be seen if Johnny will be able to perform at the level he needs to in order to be on the Worlds and Olympic teams once again. But there's no denying Johnny is going to continue competing this season and be competitive. He's giving it his all, and if his all this time isn't good enough, I don't think he will have any regrets about coming back. He's aiming for Sochi like everyone else.

Let's also be clear: Johnny performed much better than Evan at 2010 U.S. Nationals, particularly in the sp, but he was placed behind Evan, just because Evan was their guy. So, even tho' Evan made a mistake in the sp, he was placed ahead of Johnny. The USFS would even have preferred to send Ryan as the third guy to the 2010 Olympics but they couldn't go that far since Johnny skated better in both sp and fp, plus Johnny's a former 3-time U.S. champion and a former World bronze medalist, and Ryan had flubbed his sp. Also 2008 Nationals men's results were controversial, because Johnny should have won. No question. Unfortunately with the great programs Jeremy had at 2010 Nationals, he failed to bring his A-game to the Olympics. The U.S. probably thought Evan and Jeremy would be in the top five at the Olympics, and they didn't care where Johnny placed.

New season, new politics? Certainly if Evan performs cleanly at U.S. Nats and Worlds in 2013 and lands quads, he will have the edge as the returning Olympic gold medalist (rep, glory, and all that). I wish everyone well, no matter who wins the two spots on the Worlds team. Fingers-crossed whoever goes brings back 3 spots.

orbitz
10-12-2012, 09:34 PM
I don't think Johnny's Poker Face SP is going to win any favor with the international judges. It seems more like an exhibition number similar to Rudy's YMCA routine then something to be taken seriously at an Olympic level athletic event.

IceAlisa
10-13-2012, 02:39 AM
I will say that while I adore Johnny's skating and this is his first foray into the season, I am somewhat discouraged. I know, I know. It's still very early on and he will build on this.

However, a few things. While his trademark fluidity of movement above the blade is still present, it's present only some of the time. He is noticeably stiffer and less stretched out--his line suffers (it's still very good but not as good as before). I also find the fluidity of the blade itself not quite as "liquidy" as before. This will hopefully improve.

I love the FS music while it's Chopin but when it switches to that techno melodramatic Russian warhorse (did Irina skate to this or was it Leonova or both?) It makes me :scream: and :wall:.

The shaky jumps are self-evident and will likely improve. I hope to be able to form a better impression as the season progresses.

judiz
10-13-2012, 05:08 AM
I'm hoping the problems Johnny had at Finlandia were due to the problems with his new boots, how long does it usually take for a skater to fully break in a new pair of boots?

aftershocks
10-13-2012, 04:09 PM
^^ Yes, could be he's having a few problems adjusting to the new boots. I don't feel Johnny has lost any of his smoothness and artistry, but his body has matured so he does look different from the former 19 - 24 yr old Swan/ Fallen Angel. It has surely not been easy for Johnny to get back into fighting shape, so kudos to him! He is still in his twenties, and like he says, he still has a comparatively "young" skaters' body due to having not started skating until the age of 12.

As far as any stiffness, I think that may be more apparent as he goes into and comes out of jumps, and some of that along with the apparent "lack of fluidity" of the blade IceAlisa mentioned, IMO may be more related to his "tampered with" jump technique which I feel began to suffer/ show up during 2008 - 2009 season, under Galina's tutelage. Johnny is nothing if not loyal tho' to the people he loves.

Hopefully, as Johnny adjusts to the new boots and continues to train, he will regain "blade fluidity." Sure it is a contrast to look back at how effortless and easy his jumps looked circa 2004 - 2007, but again, time passes and his gifts are still wonderful, and I appreciate the hard work and effort he's putting into his comeback. :saint:

l'etoile
10-13-2012, 05:35 PM
I'm hoping the problems Johnny had at Finlandia were due to the problems with his new boots, how long does it usually take for a skater to fully break in a new pair of boots?

It varies depending on each skater. Some needs more than two-three weeks, and for some a week would be enough.

I believe Johnny would have no problem getting back on his feet. That SP in FT was just breath-taking!

antmanb
10-15-2012, 12:00 PM
However, a few things. While his trademark fluidity of movement above the blade is still present, it's present only some of the time. He is noticeably stiffer and less stretched out--his line suffers (it's still very good but not as good as before). I also find the fluidity of the blade itself not quite as "liquidy" as before. This will hopefully improve.

I've rewatched the programmes a bit over the weekend and I know what you mean. I think i'm putting it down to it being really early in the season and him getting back into competition and being nervous. It's hard to tell off the you-tube vids but he didn't seem to be as fast as he was, but again, conditioning etc will improve as the season develops.



I love the FS music while it's Chopin but when it switches to that techno melodramatic Russian warhorse (did Irina skate to this or was it Leonova or both?) It makes me :scream: and :wall:.

I think you mean when it gets to Requiem For A Dream. Leonova skated to it in the second half of her LP last year. It is my guilty pleasure - I love that music and don't care how many skaters skate to it, I love hearing it :lol: and love Leonova's programmes last year :shuffle:

judiz
10-15-2012, 08:48 PM
I think we need to see how Johnny does in his next competition before his comeback is written off as unsuccessful. I think everyone would agree it's not fair to judge by one competition.

judiz
10-15-2012, 09:01 PM
@espnW! http://espn.go.com/espnw/blog/post/2100/a-fresh-start …

DFJ
10-15-2012, 09:50 PM
Chicken fingers and Chablis...:) It's nice to see him back.

skatesindreams
10-16-2012, 12:09 AM
@espnW! http://espn.go.com/espnw/blog/post/2100/a-fresh-start

Insightful, thanks.
I wish Johnny the very best, as his comeback continues.

aftershocks
10-16-2012, 01:34 AM
Yay, Johnny! :cheer:

I've always loved the way Johnny tells it like it is:


...I had defeated myself in this war of sport versus freedom. I conquered my fears ... if you believe in yourself and surround yourself with love, you can do anything.

I'm back.


Another revealing quote is found in the rearin'/ rarin' article from goldenskate.com:


...I'm not Zhenia Plushenko ... I don't fight the same way he does. I have a different soul, a different energy. Of course, I admire what he has done, but for me, I knew it was going to be a slow process.

I just wanted to get out there again and show everyone that I am still skating, and that it is not smoke and mirrors... I'm actually ready to compete, and I don't care what anyone is saying about my performances and the jumps I landed or didn't land ... I did what I promised to do, and that was to come back for my fans.