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DickButtonFan
05-13-2012, 06:03 AM
Does anyone know when Johnny's show is coming out? I thought he was supposed to have a new season coming up around this time on logo tv.

PinkFeathers
05-13-2012, 06:55 AM
Does anyone know when Johnny's show is coming out? I thought he was supposed to have a new season coming up around this time on logo tv.

You know, nobody has any idea. Logo keeps saying that they'll let us know as soon as a date is set, but they've been saying that forever. I know Johnny & co had a wrap party for the second season, but whether or not we actually see it... No idea :(

I guess they could be waiting to see if Johnny does indeed come back, and piggyback it with that, but who really knows? :slinkaway

AndyWarhol
05-13-2012, 06:59 AM
It would make sence to release if when/if Johnny returns to televised competition.

aftershocks
05-13-2012, 05:46 PM
Have been noticing Johnny references, including disses, snide comments, and some respect as well in quite a few FSU threads recently. :lol: I guess that makes Johnny another veritable Michelle Kwan, eh? ;)

Here's a link to a GSD thread some may have missed, which indirectly and directly references Johnny in relation to figure skating, per a new book by Erica Rand:

http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83370

Erica Rand is an adult skater who is also a university professor. She has competed at Adult Nationals and at The Gay Games, and has also recently had a book published about figure skating: Red Nails, Black Skates: Gender, Cash and Pleasure On and Off the Ice. She was interviewed by her hometown newspaper, as Sylvia posted in the linked GSD thread. In the Q&A, there were interesting references to Johnny:


...Q: Let's talk about those "unwritten rules of music, dress and gender presentation" as you put it in the book. What happens when people try to break out of the norm, as you did with your Pink Floyd outfit?

A: It's hard to pinpoint. If you look at competitions, one reason you can tell there are these standards is that people usually conform to them. It's hard to tell exactly how you're being penalized because other things come into play. With me, what comes into play is I don't do that well in competition, so it's hard for me to say if I wasn't wearing a skirt with chains on it I would have placed higher.

But I think there's a general understanding that if you don't conform to those rules, you're probably punished for them. And a really good example of that is skater Johnny Weir. I think he is the perfect example, because he is a superb skater. He can do all those things that other people can't, and yet there are all these different ways that he has been punished over the years for not conforming.

Q: What are the guys' standards?

A: I think male skaters are supposed to avoid looking feminine.

Q: Is that because they don't want to be viewed through a stereotype?

A: Well, I think partly it's a sport where people assume that a lot of people are gay, but nobody really is, visibly. Nobody is out, in a way, except Johnny Weir and one Canadian skater there was a palimony suit against 20 years ago. I think there's this anti-feminine prejudice out there in the world in a lot of different contexts. I think men are just not supposed to be what is perceived as feminine, and skating, the whole sport is perceived as feminine.

So I think males are asked to avoid certain kinds of behaviors or movements that would look feminine. I think it's partly anti-gay prejudice, but I think it's also anti-feminine...

barbk
05-13-2012, 05:57 PM
I guess Urmanov never having much success is further confirmation, eys? :rolleyes:

When Weir skated well, he got great marks.

aftershocks
05-13-2012, 07:05 PM
I guess Urmanov never having much success is further confirmation, eys? :rolleyes:

When Weir skated well, he got great marks.

Ah, to each their own perceptions, eys?

Yes, and every time Johnny Weir had the nerve to skate less than his talents dictated, or to even overcome obstacles and skate beautifully, or to succumb to nerves and pressure (how dare he), or even just leave out a double jump in an otherwise wonderful performance, or skate while sick and falter -- that slacker, TPTB and judges who couldn't stand him b/c he reminded them of stuff they preferred not to dwell on (like their own prejudices and shortcomings, or past failures, or whatever), they gave him just what he deserved, no more, and sometimes much less.

Who does Johnny Weir think he's fooling anyway!? Who does he think he is??? That deplorable, quirky, too cute for his own good, eccentric, non-conforming, waste of talent !#&$$@***#! devilish diva (who most of the discerning, caring, and openhearted people in the world love unconditionally)! Besides that, he seems very happily married to this very sexy, sweet and kind Russian gentleman. :swoon: Again, how dare he! Forget about the fact Johnny's so witty and he put a lot of staid, entrenched fs commentators to shame with his natural and superbly gifted commentating of the men's event at U.S. Nationals in January. Indeed! So many can't wait to tear Johnny to shreds in his skating comeback ... they are lurking lasciviously, gnawing at the bit...

And true, that Urmanov, such an unworthy Olympic champion, that glove-wearing nonentity. :rolleyes:

PinkFeathers
05-13-2012, 07:47 PM
Ah, to each their own perceptions, eys?

Yes, and every time Johnny Weir had the nerve to skate less than his talents dictated, or to even overcome obstacles and skate beautifully, or to succumb to nerves and pressure (how dare he), or even just leave out a double jump in an otherwise wonderful performance, or skate while sick and falter -- that slacker, TPTB and judges who couldn't stand him b/c he reminded them of stuff they preferred not to dwell on (like their own prejudices and shortcomings, or past failures, or whatever), they gave him just what he deserved, no more, and sometimes much less.

Who does Johnny Weir think he's fooling anyway!? Who does he think he is??? That deplorable, quirky, too cute for his own good, eccentric, non-conforming, waste of talent !#&$$@***#! devilish diva (who most of the discerning, caring, and openhearted people in the world love unconditionally)! Besides that, he seems very happily married to this very sexy, sweet and kind Russian gentleman. :swoon: Again, how dare he! Forget about the fact Johnny's so witty and he put a lot of staid, entrenched fs commentators to shame with his natural and superbly gifted commentating of the men's event at U.S. Nationals in January. Indeed! So many can't wait to tear Johnny to shreds in his skating comeback ... they are lurking lasciviously, gnawing at the bit...

And true, that Urmanov, such an unworthy Olympic champion, that glove-wearing nonentity. :rolleyes:

This comment made me literally shoot hearts out of my eyes.

manleywoman
05-13-2012, 10:07 PM
(Sorry Plushenko, Johnny's Sexy and I Know It beats Sex Bomb). :D

Anything beats Plushy's Sex Bomb, IMO. That program was the worst.

I love Johnny's skating, and if he does come back, I wish him well. That said, I hope he does his homework on COP, fixes the flaws and gets kickass scores. Because I love his skating, but am not a fan of the wuzrobbing from his camp when he deservedly doesn't get high marks.

michiruwater
05-14-2012, 03:04 AM
who most of the discerning, caring, and openhearted people in the world love unconditionally)!

Most of the discerning, caring, and openhearted people in the world have no idea who the **** Johnny Weir is.

caseyedwards
05-14-2012, 05:36 AM
It's not enough to do homework on COP and you automatically get the scores. There are rules but they are not applied evenly. You can do the same thing as another skater but because you are not that skater you do not get high a score. You can read everything a million times and come up with something that you think might get an 8 or 8.5 and then you could get a 3! That's just the PCS part and building a program. Obviously if he came back without a quad than of his free program would have to be structured differently than it was in 2009-2010. The layout of his jumps was just always idiotic in 2009-2010.

PinkFeathers
05-14-2012, 08:05 AM
Whether or not Johnny packs his programs with COP elements that might not get full marks anyway, doesn't matter to me. He knows what skating looks like now vs 09/10, he knows what he has to do. USFS gave him the opportunity to watch his competition back at Nationals.

I will watch for the beauty, and the chance to just see him on competition ice again. He skates pretty damn amazingly when he's in love, and he's certainly in love right now. None of my favorites are going to win gold medals these days (because, well, nobody other than Chan is -- WTT aside), so I'm 100% fine with watching to enjoy it for what it is.

Besides, if I wanted to watch a COPbot, I'd just watch Evan :scream: :yikes:

aftershocks
05-14-2012, 08:29 AM
This comment made me literally shoot hearts out of my eyes.

:) :rollin:


Most of the discerning, caring, and openhearted people in the world have no idea who the **** Johnny Weir is.

Ha ha, Well of those who do, I believe they do! Or, let me put it this way, IMO, to know Johnny is to love him, except for those peeps who’d rather not know him or love him, or those who are too busy being jealous and judgmental. :D


Anything beats Plushy's Sex Bomb, IMO. That program was the worst...

Ohhh, manleywoman, Sex Bomb was Plushy at his most irreverent and self-mocking best. Sure it was a bit weird and wacky, but definitely fun, funny, and obviously not meant to be taken seriously.


...I love Johnny's skating, and if he does come back, I wish him well. That said, I hope he does his homework on COP, fixes the flaws and gets kickass scores. Because I love his skating, but am not a fan of the wuzrobbing from his camp when he deservedly doesn't get high marks.

So glad that you are a fan of Johnny’s skating. :) I look forward to the possibility of your maybe interviewing Johnny when he retires. (I know you interviewed his agent awhile back).

I have great respect and admiration for your love of skating and your contributions to the sport, manleywoman. I agree that Johnny didn’t always “deserve” high marks. No one does. Re Johnny’s “camp,” perhaps you are either referring to his inner circle or his coaching team. Actually, I’ve never heard that anyone on his coaching team made a habit of loudly crying wuzrobbed on Johnny’s behalf. He and his team generally seemed to take his marks in stride. He was often marked fairly, but usually not generously (aside from his breakout 2004 Nationals and GP performances). Most of the time, under IJS, he tended to be low-balled on PCS in my estimation. Certainly, Johnny was always gracious in defeat, despite his being rendered Heartbroken after his 2010 Olympic 6th place finish.

Pardon my “wuzrobbing,” but Johnny clearly skated better than at least 2 of the skaters who placed ahead of him at the 2010 Olympics in both sp and fp. In any case, ultimately just being at the Olympics in 2010 was a victory for Johnny, and he won many new fans not only from the way he skated, but also from the way he responded to uncalled for criticism and questioning of his “gender” at those Olympic games. During 2006 Olympics, there had been an even more widespread hue and cry in the media after Johnny’s fabulous sp skate, and it was not about his jumps, his beautiful skating, or his red glove either.

Altho’ I am not a member of Johnny’s “camp” or his “inner circle,” I do believe he “wuzrobbed” in the marks on a number of occasions, for different reasons. That doesn’t mean he always deserved “high marks.” But let’s be honest, Johnny (as happens to some skaters) was never a favorite of the judges, or of his own Federation (altho’ bygones may be bygones by now).


It's not enough to do homework on COP and you automatically get the scores. There are rules but they are not applied evenly. You can do the same thing as another skater but because you are not that skater you do not get high a score...

You can say that again!

Katarzyna
05-14-2012, 09:39 PM
Ohhh, manleywoman, Sex Bomb was Plushy at his most irreverent and self-mocking best. Sure it was a bit weird and wacky, but definitely fun, funny, and obviously not meant to be taken seriously.
Obviously not, he recently did it even with swaddling clothes on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxUmqTpSdfE&feature=related

:rofl::rofl::rofl:


But let’s be honest, Johnny (as happens to some skaters) was never a favorite of the judges, or of his own Federation (altho’ bygones may be bygones by now).
So true! :respec: + :(

PinkFeathers
05-15-2012, 01:23 AM
Those of you in the area can catch Johnny skating in Sun Valley on August 4th, along with Gracie Gold. What a duo! :cheer2:

http://www.sunvalley.com/things-to-do/iceshows/

overedge
05-15-2012, 01:26 AM
IMO, to know Johnny is to love him, except for those peeps who’d rather not know him or love him, or those who are too busy being jealous and judgmental.

:rolleyes:


He and his team generally seemed to take his marks in stride. He was often marked fairly, but usually not generously (aside from his breakout 2004 Nationals and GP performances). Most of the time, under IJS, he tended to be low-balled on PCS in my estimation. Certainly, Johnny was always gracious in defeat, despite his being rendered Heartbroken after his 2010 Olympic 6th place finish.


So then who was it giving interviews after the Olympics claiming that by the time he skated the FP, "the North American spot on the podium" was already taken and that is why he got the marks he did? Not only was that untrue, but it also wasn't "gracious in defeat".