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AndyWarhol
07-03-2011, 08:11 AM
what a babe.

Jenny
07-03-2011, 02:44 PM
"After Johnny"??? So if you know so much about figure skating history, how did you miss that Toller Cranston and John Curry were the agents for exactly the same sort of change in the early/mid 70s? Johnny is far from being the only skater who has influenced how male skaters present themselves in the ice.

Exactly. Johnny is not as original or different as some seem to think, nor is he particularly revolutionary or trendsetting as a figure skater.

Most of his so-called outrageousness is centred on his off-ice persona - the things he says, does and wears.

I honestly wish Johnny had put more of his energy into expressing himself through skating within the discipline of the sport, where I think his creativity could have grown and become something really interesting. Once freed of judges and rules and requirements, I think he lacks the foundation to really create art out there, and instead is just well, out there.

And aftershocks, I am entirely aware that coming out is a huge deal for figure skaters and other men and women - my point was that as it relates to any effect on the sport, it wouldn't have made any difference if Johnny had come out while still competing under the auspices of the USFSA as opposed to waiting until he had a book deal.

kwanette
07-03-2011, 02:49 PM
And aftershocks, I am entirely aware that coming out is a huge deal for figure skaters and other men and women - my point was that as it relates to any effect on the sport, it wouldn't have made any difference if Johnny had come out while still competing under the auspices of the USFSA as opposed to waiting until he had a book deal.

I can't remember off-hand, obviously you can..What skaters "came out" when they were still competing in the USA?

gkelly
07-03-2011, 02:52 PM
Surely you haven't forgotten Rudy Galindo

You might also be interested in this article:
http://www.goldenskate.com/2011/06/gay-pride/

And this website, which is not up to date but still around with some interesting content:
http://www.plover.com/rainbowice/

Jenny
07-03-2011, 03:06 PM
I can't remember off-hand, obviously you can..What skaters "came out" when they were still competing in the USA?

Other than Rudy Galindo, there is little precedent, and if there were, it would essentially be irrelevant. You can't compare coming out today to coming out in decades past, or even as recently as 10 years ago.

So yes, I'm hypothesizing when it comes to figure skating specifically, but in looking at the broader world around us, I'm confident in my opinion that Johnny could have come out several years ago, while still competing, without it affecting the sport or his federation in a negative way.

It would actually be interesting to somehow measure how much ink/discussion/interest Johnny's sexual preferences generated before vs after he made it official in his book. Often, the path to a place is more interesting than what we find when we actually get there. This reference might be a bit outdated for some people, but remember when Sam and Diane finally got together on Cheers?

kwanette
07-03-2011, 05:06 PM
Thanks, gkelly, for the links..

Jenny, if it wouldn't affect them, then why don't they?

kwanette
07-03-2011, 05:45 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/olympic_scheme_an_ice_capade_gmV6wxsTJep2bpqNjdPgm N

Saw this posted on FB by IFS..

Sylvia
07-03-2011, 05:54 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/olympic_scheme_an_ice_capade_gmV6wxsTJep2bpqNjdPgm N

Saw this posted on FB by IFS..
This article and topic is being discussed in its own thread in GSD: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=79381

kwanette
07-03-2011, 06:37 PM
This article and topic is being discussed in its own thread in GSD: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=79381

OOPS..

Jenny
07-04-2011, 01:35 PM
Thanks, gkelly, for the links..

Jenny, if it wouldn't affect them, then why don't they?

I'm not sure I understand the question - the topic being discussed is whether or not or why a federation would want to discourage its skaters from coming out, and the potential effect on the federation and the sport.

antmanb
07-06-2011, 02:26 PM
antmab, I completely agree that he sometimes says stuff for shock or entertainment value. I just don't think this was in any shape or form an implied endorsement of doing dope. It was a colorful comparison of the diference between his and Ryan's programs meaning both were enjoyable but in different ways. To me the controversy was blown way out of proportion.

Oh agree the mention of it alone is not an implied endorsement of taking drugs at all. The fact he said it was, i think, completely to create the controversy that then blew up. He loved to be controversial then, and moreso if it pissed the USFSA off, which surely it did.

Justathoughtabl
07-06-2011, 09:11 PM
Practice session from Japan. Fans got to watch.

Triple axel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB_6foaN6Vo&feature=youtu.be&a

Attempts at triple salchow/triple loop after presumably not training this for awhile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDYcuhnjhsA

Skittl1321
07-06-2011, 09:21 PM
I just (finally) saw the movie Thor, and the whole time I was thinking how much Loki (Tom Hiddleston) looked like Johnny Weir. They really have very different facial structures, but the skin, the eyes, the hair . . . something else . . . just reminded me of Johnny. Here's a link to a photo that doesn't entirely show the resemblance:
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm204126208/nm1089991

The entire movie all I thought was "when did Johnny Weir start acting".

I knew it wasn't him, but they look really similar (Loki and Johnny, less so Tom and Johnny)

REO
07-07-2011, 12:25 AM
Practice session from Japan. Fans got to watch
Attempts at triple salchow/triple loop after presumably not training this for awhile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDYcuhnjhsA

Third time's the charm. lol

I would have loved to have seen a good vid of his new costume. One fan who saw it said he looked like a mirror ball when he spun. The still pix don't do it justice.

REO
07-07-2011, 12:33 AM
Oh agree the mention of it alone is not an implied endorsement of taking drugs at all. The fact he said it was, i think, completely to create the controversy that then blew up. He loved to be controversial then, and moreso if it pissed the USFSA off, which surely it did.

Well you never know with him. He certainly couldn't have known what he would be asked about. I just think at that stage of the game he didn't have any filters in place. That's why the press loved him, because he just said whatever popped into his head and he is a wit. This comment didn't really affect me at the time but I almost died laughing when he told Phil H that he'd lost weight and was looking good. That, and "This is not a boa. It's a scarf. I would never wear a boa to a press conference." :lol: