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REO
06-18-2011, 03:09 PM
OMG you're right! It must be catching. I stand corrected but agalisgv is right. And no, Val, aftershocks and I not the same person. Actually I'm really posting double as overedge and REO so my two natures can war with each other. lol

WindSpirit
06-18-2011, 07:35 PM
Why is snark being thrown around here as something bad? :huh: Do you guys even know what snark is?

Yes, there is a difference between snark and hate. I can understand why an uber would see everything in a bad light, though. It must be hard to be an uber. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is out there to get your beloved. And why oh why does everyone else get more praise than my beloved? Yes, I meticulously gathered all the information, fed it into Excel, made charts, comparisons, I know what I'm talking about and I can prove it! As well as the fact that I'm intellectually superior to y'all who can't comprehend all the awesomeness and delight that is my beloved and see his True Soul.

Johnny and his remarks/actions have nothing to do with people perceive him, though, right? He is a polarizing person and will always get strong reactions. Deal with it. I am a fan of someone who's very polarizing and even though I love many things about him, he does annoy the shit out of me sometimes, too. I refuse to idolize anyone.

Fit in wherever in your meticulously made boxes and labels, but as much as I like Johnny's skating, I find his off ice persona off-putting. He can sound and behave like a twit and personally I have no patience for it. More for you then, enjoy! I reserve the right to call him a twit, too. If that makes me 1. "ex-fan", 2. "HATER!" in your world, so be it. All that makes you an uber in mine. Which is basically someone who takes their fandom way too seriously.

ETA: As for FSU in general. Different boards have different tones. If the one here doesn't fit your tastes, feel free to find one that does. I will never understand why people start posting on a board they don't like. Unless chastising others is your thing, I guess. Or proselytizing perhaps? Why do you think that an entire board should cater to your tastes? BTW, if you think FSU is bad, you really need to get around the Internet more. And I'm not talking about fan boards.

VALuvsMKwan
06-18-2011, 10:18 PM
OMG you're right! It must be catching. I stand corrected but agalisgv is right. And no, Val, aftershocks and I not the same person. Actually I'm really posting double as overedge and REO so my two natures can war with each other. lol

Thanks for clarifying, on both counts. ;)

Justathoughtabl
06-18-2011, 10:37 PM
Calling people "haters," "ubers," and "twits" sounds very high school to me. I'm wondering if we can just get past name-calling and labels. It really has less to do with this board specifically and more to do with, "Are adults really like this?" Yes, you find this tone all over the Internet, where people can say whatever they want to other people under protection of anonymity. And it always has me wondering where people's manners are. Calls for civil discourse seem to be pushed aside and dismissed because it's much easier to go the other way.

There seems to be a lot of anger and defensiveness. Once again, can't we all just calm down? Sorry if I started this whole thing. Clearly the two sides don't understand each other--I know several of the things I've said have been twisted, including the idea that I want the entire board to change for me, as well as the idea that just because I defended Johnny a bit, it means I think he's perfect--so this argument is pointless.

REO
06-19-2011, 04:29 AM
I agree with WindSpirit that Johnny is a polarizing person - read any thread about him - and that snark is just being a wiseas$ which is bread and butter to me lol. I always call myself an uber but I don't think I take my fandom too seriously. I don'[t follow him around the world or have a site or blog dedicated to him or anything like that. I guess it's the polarization that makes me want to defend him tooth and nail. When a poster goes past the snark and into the haterz realm I go into uberization mode.

WindSpirit
06-19-2011, 05:05 PM
It really has less to do with this board specifically and more to do with, "Are adults really like this?" So you are into chastising others and proselytizing.

Like I said, I seriously don't get it. I read many boards, I post at several. I don't post at boards (or even read them) if I don't like the tone of the entire board. I don't expect the entire board to cater to my tastes. "Oh you shouldn't do and say that, I'll tell you what you should do." :huh:

There are many, many boards out there. Find the ones you like or set up your own and make up your own rules. Don't try to tell us we don't hold our pinkies at a "proper" angle while we drink tea.

If you think it's an OK thing to do, go to, say, TWoP or better yet, Survivor Sucks and trying telling them what they should do. Not only would you get your ass kicked, you'd probably get banned too.

WindSpirit
06-19-2011, 05:06 PM
I agree with WindSpirit that Johnny is a polarizing person - read any thread about him - and that snark is just being a wiseas$ which is bread and butter to me lol. I always call myself an uber but I don't think I take my fandom too seriously. I don'[t follow him around the world or have a site or blog dedicated to him or anything like that. I guess it's the polarization that makes me want to defend him tooth and nail. When a poster goes past the snark and into the haterz realm I go into uberization mode. You don't have to follow him around the world or have a site or blog dedicated to him to be an uber. I don't think those are things that make someone an uber anyway (unless you meant follow them around the world literally, but that would make someone more of a stalker than an uber).

If you want to defend him "tooth and nail" and if you think your actions are justified because of someone else's actions, that's another story though.

If you keep track of how many times other people have been praised/criticized compared to the person you're the fan of, same thing.

You guys are at a general board, not a fan board. We prefer a laid-back, informal atmosphere. Same goes for the language. If you're so emotionally invested in someone, you might not necessarily like what's being said about them. The "haterz realm" has a very different threshold to someone who's not so emotionally involved and someone who is. In other words, you are more likely to see red where other people wouldn't.

Like I said, I'm a fan of someone who's very polarizing and if I could give you any advice it would be this. Pick your battles wisely. Better yet, stop seeing everything as a battle. It's not your job to defend them "nail and tooth". Most of the time there's not even a reason to. Some people will like them and some will not. Accept that. If the person you're the fan of says/does something controversial, you are not responsible for the fallout or lack of thereof. Learn how to let go. If you don't want to be perceived as an uber, don't behave like one. If you do, you're most likely to do more harm than help and why would you want that? Let other people have their opinions. The person you're the fan of is going to be OK no matter what you do. Lighten up, you'll enjoy your fandom more.

You guys are so sure that Johnny gets slammed here the most. But we've heard that from many other fans. Some people get slam more than others, absolutely, but it's usually happens when that person does something to be in the news, especially if it's controversial. Plush got TONS of criticism for his behavior and statements after the Olympics. Patrick Chan got his share, too, a few years ago. Evan, just for winning the Olympics. Etc. Johnny's outspoken and he is controversial and polarizing. You gotta take the bad with the good.

REO
06-19-2011, 06:02 PM
Actually I did mean literally follow him around the world. He has several who do!

I think the difference is that Johnny gets slammed for his personal life more than his skating. There is always the homophobia agenda lurking too, which adds to some people's defensiveness. I, personally, have no trouble with people who criticize if they do so with reason and moderation but there are a couple who are truly nasty. If you think we shouldn't reply to those people then there is no dialog and why have a forum.

Quite frankly I think alot of the heated back and forth comes about because people take a couple of words from a post and then try to twist the meaning around just to be belligerant and get people's fur up. Maybe they just gave a post a quick read and didn't really comprehend but then they shouldn't reply, and there are some who make that a staple of their posts.

Anyway I do this for fun. You can be assured it doesn't really affect my life negatively. lol

Justathoughtabl
06-19-2011, 06:55 PM
Actually I did mean literally follow him around the world. He has several who do!

I think the difference is that Johnny gets slammed for his personal life more than his skating. There is always the homophobia agenda lurking too, which adds to some people's defensiveness. I, personally, have no trouble with people who criticize if they do so with reason and moderation but there are a couple who are truly nasty. If you think we shouldn't reply to those people then there is no dialog and why have a forum.

Quite frankly I think alot of the heated back and forth comes about because people take a couple of words from a post and then try to twist the meaning around just to be belligerant and get people's fur up. Maybe they just gave a post a quick read and didn't really comprehend but then they shouldn't reply, and there are some who make that a staple of their posts.

Anyway I do this for fun. You can be assured it doesn't really affect my life negatively. lol

Totally agree with everything in this post.

Justathoughtabl
06-19-2011, 07:02 PM
So you are into chastising others and proselytizing.

Like I said, I seriously don't get it. I read many boards, I post at several. I don't post at boards (or even read them) if I don't like the tone of the entire board. I don't expect the entire board to cater to my tastes. "Oh you shouldn't do and say that, I'll tell you what you should do." :huh:

There are many, many boards out there. Find the ones you like or set up your own and make up your own rules. Don't try to tell us we don't hold our pinky at a "proper" angle while we drink tea.

If you think it's an OK thing to do, go to, say, TWoP or better yet, Survivor Sucks and trying telling them what they should do. Not only would you get your ass kicked, you'd probably get banned too.

I certainly didn't mean to tell others what to do, but why are people so defensive, even if they think I did? What I find strange is that I get told off for "telling others what to do" in a non-belligerent way, while people who are belligerent towards me don't get told a damn thing.

I made one little comment about how weird it was that so many comments about Johnny were negative, and it blew up. And suddenly I'm a self-righteous "uber." Ah, well. I went somewhere where my opinion isn't popular-- what did I expect? :lol:

WindSpirit
06-19-2011, 07:20 PM
I think the difference is that Johnny gets slammed for his personal life more than his skating. There is always the homophobia agenda lurking too, which adds to some people's defensiveness. Oh because we're so homophobic here. :lol:


I, personally, have no trouble with people who criticize if they do so with reason and moderation but there are a couple who are truly nasty. If you think we shouldn't reply to those people then there is no dialog and why have a forum. Yes, the best way to get a dialogue going is to reply to people who are truly nasty. Because by arguing with them you're going to change that. We have thousands of members, there's enough dialogue going without engaging the trolls.


Quite frankly I think alot of the heated back and forth comes about because people take a couple of words from a post and then try to twist the meaning around just to be belligerant and get people's fur up. Maybe they just gave a post a quick read and didn't really comprehend but then they shouldn't reply, and there are some who make that a staple of their posts. And you think it's your job to straighten them out?


Anyway I do this for fun. You can be assured it doesn't really affect my life negatively. lol You argue with people for fun? How wonderful. I'm glad you know how to spend your time wisely.

Justathoughtabl
06-19-2011, 07:41 PM
And you think it's your job to straighten them out?

You argue with people for fun? How wonderful. I'm glad you know how to spend your time wisely.

I don't think Reo was saying either of these things.

REO
06-19-2011, 08:04 PM
You argue with people for fun? How wonderful. I'm glad you know how to spend your time wisely.

And that's just what I was talking about. Purposely using something someone posted and twisting it in a way as to make that person seem foolish. Do you truly think a person would not reply in kind? That's what most of the problem is. If you look up a couple of posts you'll see me admit I made a mistake to overedge in something I said. The two of us seldom agree about anything but I admit when I'm wrong. What I meant was that I participate in this forum for fun. I don't argue just for the sake of it.

As for the homophobia comment I know you are right in the main, but there is an element that seems a little iffy. ;) Actually I just meant that that issue makes some people touchy and they may be more defensive than need be about some comments.

I realize you're just trying to say that we should try to be a little more tolerant and high minded and that's a nice concept but if people say things like 'Rachael looks like a ham' or 'Johnny is an idiot' some people can't let that go.

WindSpirit
06-20-2011, 03:01 AM
And that's just what I was talking about. Purposely using something someone posted and twisting it in a way as to make that person seem foolish. I didn't "purposely twist" anything you wrote. If anything, I misunderstood you. But thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt. You speak about other people's defensiveness so much and it turns out you're the defensive one. Quelle surprise.


As for the homophobia comment I know you are right in the main, but there is an element that seems a little iffy. ;) Actually I just meant that that issue makes some people touchy and they may be more defensive than need be about some comments. I think you're reading too much in what people are saying and way too much when it comes to their intentions.

All that only shows me that you're on "high alert" about anything that might be perceived negatively about Johnny.

It's always someone else's fault, isn't it? A reasonable, intelligent non homophobic person could never ever think Johnny can be an annoying twit, could they?


I realize you're just trying to say that we should try to be a little more tolerant and high minded and that's a nice concept but if people say things like 'Rachael looks like a ham' or 'Johnny is an idiot' some people can't let that go. If you can't let it go, you're just going to prolong the issue, which does seem to contradict your goal.

BTW, I wasn't necessarily trying to say that you should try to be "a little more tolerant and high minded," I was trying to say that you should relax and enjoy your fandom. Not think of it as a job to defend Johnny "tooth and nail". Trust me, he's going to be just fine without it. Even more so, since never has the uberdom made anyone see the ubers or the person they're devoted to in a good light. On the contrary.

REO
06-20-2011, 04:25 AM
Okay well we're doing exactly what you've been preaching we should not do so I concede the argument to you on all points and go off to enjoy my fandom like a good little poster without any opinions of my own or the will to respond to anyone with whom I disagree.
Probably not for long. lol