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ioana
03-05-2011, 08:47 PM
Wasn't it Preaubert he said that about?

I think you and brian are right about this. They both had posture issues and programs with all jumps at that time --I must have them confused.



Oh, I think Yulia Vorobieva got there first, followed by Igor Pashkevich.

Did Vorobieva actually skate for Russia and then switch or did she just 'pick' Azerbaijan once the Soviet Union/EUN split? I thought it was the latter, so I'm more willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. At least she realized she'd have a better chance to go to Worlds on a regular basis that way. I forgot about Pashkevich, though and there might have been a few pairs/ice dancers who country hopped before her, too. She was still one of the early skaters to do this. I remember people asking 'why AZE' (not tongue-in-cheek) when she showed up competing for AZE...

jlai
03-05-2011, 08:50 PM
Russia seemed to have quite a depth in the junior ranks in the mid 90's - how come it was only Slutskaya and Bute who "made it"? (And to a much lesser extent, Soldatova and Volchkova) Any ideas?

I think any country with enormous depth in juniors all has the problem of having at most 3 championships spots. So once all these juniors moved up to seniors, some would not make those spots and they moved on. JSF had that problem too with the ladies, though they retained their talented juniors somewhat better--even Yukina Ota won a 4cc before she retired.

Loves_Shizuka
03-05-2011, 09:16 PM
Did Vorobieva actually skate for Russia and then switch or did she just 'pick' Azerbaijan once the Soviet Union/EUN split? I thought it was the latter, so I'm more willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. At least she realized she'd have a better chance to go to Worlds on a regular basis that way. I forgot about Pashkevich, though and there might have been a few pairs/ice dancers who country hopped before her, too. She was still one of the early skaters to do this. I remember people asking 'why AZE' (not tongue-in-cheek) when she showed up competing for AZE...

You know, I'm sure you're right. I'm convinced I've seen a fluff/interview/article/something along the lines that Yulia chose to compete for AZE straight away simply out of choice. And this would have been the early 90's, when Russia wasn't exactly stacked when it came to senior ladies talent. I'm fairly sure Yulia was a very willing representative of AZE, rather than desperate.

judgejudy27
03-05-2011, 10:09 PM
One of the worst judging decisions I've ever seen took place at 96 jr worlds in the LP. For Ivanova to win the LP over Pingacheva was just a joke. Pingacheva skated the perfect program for a girl at Jr worlds that day landing 5 different triples and yet the judges put her behind Ivanova who had several mistakes and muscled ugly jumps.

Was Pingacheva 5th in the SP to Ivanova's 1st? I can't remember right now.

Considering Elena Ivanova won 4 medals at Jr worlds she was a really ugly skater. Sure she could do 3f/3t combos but her skating was not pleasant to watch at all. Not surprising she disappeared upon entering the Sr ranks.

I remember those World Juniors. Ivanova had a triple lutz-triple toe which was excellently performed. I think that is why she won the long program. I still agree Pingacheva should have. It was a 5-4 split in the long. It wouldnt have made a difference to which one won though. Pingacheva was 4th in the short program, and Ivanova was 1st.

SwingDancer
03-06-2011, 12:40 AM
Whatever did happen to Jennifer Kirk, I know that she retired, she used to do media work like commentary, columns, and a twitter stream, but I have seen any of her work recently.