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miki88
03-05-2011, 12:14 AM
Suguri the fastest? In her prime she was very fast but not the fastest. Sandra Bezic even said after her Olympic free skate she lacks the power and skating skills of Arakawa.

I don't think she was a powerful skater but she did seem to skate very fast without much effort. I think she at her prime and Shizuka are about the same to me in terms of speed.

Triple Butz
03-05-2011, 03:14 AM
Suguri the fastest? In her prime she was very fast but not the fastest. Sandra Bezic even said after her Olympic free skate she lacks the power and skating skills of Arakawa.

I've seen Suguri several times over the years, and even in 09 she still seemed crazy fast to me. In non-COP years she really FLEW during her footwork (Thank you, N. Sato!) and it made her stand out amongst the other girls.

I think it's funny that there are so many different opinions here! You'd think judging speed would be more objective.

Here are some of my impressions after watching lots of competitions over the last 10-12 years:

I never found Arakawa to be super fast. The last time I saw her skate was at the cheesefest in Detroit just before she won her world crown in 2004 where she lost to Kwan. I remember at the time thinking that she and Kwan had similar speed (quite good, but not exceptional) but what was most impressive was the ease of movement/liquid crossovers and ice coverage in general.

Sasha Cohen's basic speed and edging had a big improvement somewhere between 2002 and 2003. She was a little slower than some of the others, but post SLC, I never felt that she was crawling across the ice as I have often felt watching Rachael Flatt or Caroline Zhang. With Flatt, I think Tracey Wilson said it best this year: "It almost looks like she's walking instead of skating." Or something to that effect.

I read somewhere in this thread that someone put Agnes in their "fast" category :confused:

I haven't seen Alissa live this year, but to me it looks like she has made a noticeable improvement in the speed dept.

Meissner really impressed me with her speed, though her posture could have been better. Emily Hughes would start out with decent speed and slow down considerably about a minute into the program.

Johnny Weir, Evan Lysacek, and Nobunari Oda can be anywhere from quite fast to moderately slow depending on their moods.

Jeremy Abbott has better speed than both of them.

I didn't think Chan was particularly fast when I saw him in 09, but he looks faster now.

I think the skater with blinding speed that really sticks out to me is Yannick Ponsero!

Kimmie Meissner surprised me with her exceptional speed.

EricRohmer
03-05-2011, 07:23 AM
I like Peter Carruthers's comment for Kim speed.

"The greatest thing for me about Yuna Kim skating is the fact that she skates at such a great speed. It's very fast. It's like a ballerina that's a speed skater." (after 2007-11 COR ends)

Jammers
03-05-2011, 05:13 PM
Mirai seemed to be slower this year but i wonder if it's because her nerves get the best of her and she doesn't skate with as much freedom and attack. At 4CC though in her LP she was flying across the ice but of course she wasn't leading and she just went out and skated.

Margaret
03-05-2011, 08:02 PM
Stupid question, but how exactly do you tell if a skater is faster than the others? Of course I can see when a lower level skater is noticably slow. But how to see the difference between, say, Kim and Kostner? What are we looking for, what are the things to pay attention to? Maybe it is easier to see the speed differences live, but on TV I find it quite difficult.

mmot
03-05-2011, 08:36 PM
Stupid question, but how exactly do you tell if a skater is faster than the others? Of course I can see when a lower level skater is noticably slow. But how to see the difference between, say, Kim and Kostner? What are we looking for, what are the things to pay attention to? Maybe it is easier to see the speed differences live, but on TV I find it quite difficult.

It all comes down to personal perception, I guess, unless you get them all lined up and compete. Therefore, some of the posters opinions here vary significantly. It also depends on the programme they skate too. It must be much easier to skate fast if the programme does not include intricate footwork / transitions.

I think another distinction to be made is the number of strokes required to get to the top speed and how it's maintained without further strokes. I have rather limited experience of watching skaters live, but what impressed me most about Shizuka is how quickly she gets to the top speed after merely a few strokes - one and two strokes leading to a spiral, then she was on the other side of the rink within a blink! Well, almost. It was like watching men skate.
I saw some younger skaters skate round the rink pretty fast, but I noticed they were busy stroking non-stop.

shirley
03-05-2011, 09:44 PM
From what I've seen in competitions Suguri is very fast, although she does do a lot more work to get that speed. ;)

barbk
03-05-2011, 11:26 PM
Stupid question, but how exactly do you tell if a skater is faster than the others? Of course I can see when a lower level skater is noticably slow. But how to see the difference between, say, Kim and Kostner? What are we looking for, what are the things to pay attention to? Maybe it is easier to see the speed differences live, but on TV I find it quite difficult.

You really see a lot of difference during practice sessions at competitions. TV makes it very, very hard to tell.

smarts1
03-06-2011, 12:41 AM
Look at the speed Fumie's carrying into the flip at around 50 sec. She's really flying down the ice! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dPQTjKRxoE&feature=related

RunnersHigh
03-06-2011, 01:40 AM
Stupid question, but how exactly do you tell if a skater is faster than the others?
I think they smuggled speed guns into the arena. :sekret:

Fallcolor
03-06-2011, 03:51 AM
The Japanese ladies have fairly good speed, along with Kim, Lepisto Kostner. Of the American ladies currently I would have to say only Nagasu and Wagner...

Angela Maxwell was another fast skater too, that I'd mention.

pinky166
03-06-2011, 05:05 AM
The Japanese ladies have fairly good speed, along with Kim, Lepisto Kostner. Of the American ladies currently I would have to say only Nagasu and Wagner...

Angela Maxwell was another fast skater too, that I'd mention.

NBC commentators kept mentioning how Christina Gao skates with a lot of speed at nationals this year. She certainly seems fast to me, not Kostner or Kim level but I'd give her a 7, maybe an 8 now that she's taller.

Screenie
03-10-2011, 01:59 AM
i'm not sure if Laetitia Hubert was already mentioned, but I think she's the fastest one I've ever seen.

ks777
03-10-2011, 05:35 AM
i'm not sure if Laetitia Hubert was already mentioned, but I think she's the fastest one I've ever seen.

yes she was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5i6zECEXT0

Kelvster
03-10-2011, 06:12 AM
Yulia Lavrenchuk was very fast! :rollin:

Miss her skating ...